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Film needs to be remastered and released on DVD.


I managed to track down a decent enough copy of this but it`s a shame that it`s really quite difficult to obtain.

Yes all the Russians are glorious heroes ,the Germans vile animals, and the poor old Italians,by and large,stuck in the middle,but the film still has enough merit to be seen by a new audience.Some of the sequences,such as the Italian and Russian chasing the rabbit in no man`s land, just stay with you forever.The gorgeous Zhanna Prokherenko(Ballad Of a Soldier)is so strikingly beautiful and the action sequences are often epic with hundreds of extras.A shame that the version I saw was cropped and it`s mouthwatering to think what the film would look like in it`s original aspect ratio.

Trawling through Ebay, I came across the original Italian soundtrack L.P. which has a glorius colour picture of the soldier wandering through the sunflower field.Probably controversial but this memorable scene would have been truly breathtaking if the film had perhaps been shot in colour.

Unfortunately the version I saw was dubbed and it really needs to be seen with the actors speaking their own language-little touches and reflections can be lost and hopefully a restored version will rectify this.

Despite one or two flaws I found it particularly interesting as there really aren`t many productions which show the Italian army fighting on the Eastern front.Try a recent Italian tv production called ""Don Gnocchi L`angelo Dei Bimbi"(2004)if you can find it.

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hey Khazi, I think you're a great guy and all but the movie is not in its original audio in any medium. Italian films all the way up to 1990 or so were never shot in direct-source audio (besides a few exceptions such as CUT AND RUN 1985 and a few of the Cannon Group / Empire films shot in Italy at the time).

So even in the Italian language version, expect lots of bad dubbing. You get closer dubbing to the Italian actors (sometimes) but not for the International ones. Arthur Kennedy and Peter Falk dub themselves in English - so they match up pretty well. Granted they're just cameos.

There is a DVD out from Belle and Blade under their Armchair Commander series. It's VERY rare and expensive (over $45) and is an obvious recording off a VHS with no chapter stops. It's also in very poor video quality, very grainy, and has VCR tracking problems all throughout, as though they just copied off an old tape on a dusty $29.99 2-head VCR. You're much better off with a VHS copy.

Yes I agree the film would have been better A) in color, B) direct source sound, and C) with more battle scenes that did a little more justice to both sides.

The ending is a lot like the end of STALINGRAD (1993), but then again I guess that whole film is patterned after this one.

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I`ve got an old dvd copy which I bought off a collector in Denmark and it`s good enough for me at the moment.I thought I might be shot down in flames suggesting the film would be better in colour but glad someone else agrees.The picture of the Italian soldier walking through the sunflower field looks amazing in colour and i`m trying to get a poster of it from somewhere.It could conceivably be colourised (as they did with The Longest Day-what do you think of that by the way?)but I think extremely unlikely as only a small group of us seem to appreciate this film now.

The info on dubbing is interesting, but as most of the actors are probably no longer with us,I suppose a necessary evil would be to re-dub the soundtrack.Hardly ideal but surely better than some of the bad accents they littered the original soundtrack with.Of course the films` relative obscurity won`t make any sort of decent restoration cost effective which is a shame.

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I'd be happy with the original negative. English and Italian audio options, subtitles in English too... chapter stops, and full scope aspect ratio that it was shot in. I kept getting the impression watching it that the image is pretty cropped, though good enough so that it never feels like you're missing too much. The bad quality of all the prints I've seen makes it impossible to tell whether the battle scenes use stock World War 2 footage or if they were 100% authentically recreated.

Yeah this film has unfortunately sank into total obscurity, even though it is pretty good and had a decent budget. Other similar films are like SUTJESKA, the totally overlooked sequel to BATTLE OF NERETVA.... or that Franco Nero war movie FIFTH DAY OF PEACE... plus I'm sure there are many others.

I actually prefer colorized over black and white... and with Italian movies or AIP releases where the dubbing is pretty good, I prefer the dubbing to subtitles. I get to recognize the voice actors after a while. On films like Japanese crime movies or slower paced foreign films (where usually the dubbing is awful anyway), I prefer subtitles.

Ted Turner's Colorization made KING KONG a lot more enjoyable in my opinion. A similar process used on NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD was awful, but that movie was meant to look cheap. However, some big films are better in black and white, and colorizing something like YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN or SCHINDLERS LIST would make no sense at all.

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I`m sure that most of the action scenes in "Italiani Brava Gente" were actually filmed rather than using stock footage.As you say it`s difficult to tell although I`ll keep scanning Italian & Russian dvd sites in case a new dvd release ever does materialise.

I haven`t seen "Sutjeska"(Fifth Offensive) in over 20 years but do know there`s a Serbian,Croatian as well as German dvd.None of them have English subs unfortunately.I remember a scenes(sure it`s from this film)where the Germans are running up one side of a hill and the Partisans the other and they clash in the middle-bang!

Did you buy the new Italian dvd of "Battle Of Neretva"?I`ve seen some sites list the running time at 143 mins and others 102 mins.I`m slightly unsure about it as the artwork seems exactly the same as the cut Spanish r2 dvd.

Coincidentally I saw "Fifth Day Of Peace"(Crime Of Defeat) a few days ago for the first time and thoroughly enjoyed it(apart from Nero`s dubbing)-see my post on it and let me know if you ever come across a nice widesreen print!

Thanks

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I have a feeling some of the battle footage was stock footage. Those T-34's just looked a little too real (not 20 year old antiques) during that fleeing from the Don scene (I felt, the highlight of the movie). Actually, I really liked the scene with them attacking the town on the Bug river too, the tank that kills the guys in the ferris wheel, then the factory exploding (and it's some quality pyrotechnics for once), and the firing squad, to the guy getting killed in the sunflowers and the woman crying and running. If the whole film was like that, it would be a masterpiece above and beyond anything Tarkovsky ever did.

Instead it's slowed down by the scenes of people singing and episodic junk like Peter Falk's 10-minute scene as the doctor (which I think was just tacked on to incorporate another American actor).

No, I have 2 dvds of Neretva - the Spanish and the Serbian. The serb is in much better quality, but I NEED that Herrmann music, man... need it. I want a definitive cut of that with the Herrmann music AND the English language soundtrack, at least for the American/German/Italian actors anyway. I don't mind the partisans being subtitled since they spoke Yugoslavian to begin with.

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I just watched scenes from this excellent movie on youtube. I must say this is one of the most entertaining war films I have witnessed. Particularly the howling Katuysha rockets screaming across the horizon. Very Impressive scene of the charging Red Cossacks, You can almost feel the terror these Italian soldiers are under. And trying to fight off hordes of T-34's with very small artillery was fruitless endeavor. I'd love to purchase this movie on DVD if it is available anywhere. The scenes that I saw on youtube were not dubbed in English and had no English subtitles.

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Beware, I noticed that the US DVD is missing a lot of the combat footage. It totally lacks the whole scene where the Italian soldiers fight back with the small artillery. Instead, the battle scene opens with them already in headlong retreat!

Isn't that the whole reason to watch these movies? The combat??

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Just watched it again the other day-shame it couldn`t have lost all the stuff with Peter Falk as well as that really drags the film down.

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are you saying it's just a shoehorned-in cameo!??

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He couldn`t possibly have been put in to try and flog the film to an American audience could he(?)Still no luck with a nice remastered copy?I thought the Russians might have done something by now but alas niet!Arthur Kennedy however proves quite effective and Zhanna Prokerenko really is a gorgeous babe even though she`s probably as old as my mother now if she`s still with us.

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I would love to find a proper remastered copy.The only one I have found is great to own but looks like krap.

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There`s an official uk dvd coming out in a couple of weeks-i`ll post info on it when I get it.Fingers crossed for a complete subtitled version as the English dubbed print is terrible.

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any luck on finding a decent release?

I don't know if I posted earlier, but someone was kind enough to post a lot of the full battle scenes on youtube. I have no idea why the US dvd and VHS releases cut them out as they're some of the best WW2 battle scenes I've seen, seamlessly blending the stock footage in with new material.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lKGq8byTFg&feature=related

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Hello Aylmer-Unfortunately no luck at present as it seems the UK release has been put on hold.Got an email from Amazon.uk saying it`s not currently available after placing a pre-order.I`ll try and contact the distributor Optimum and find out what`s happening-real shame as it was advertised as the 150m subtitled version.

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Hi, I just wanted to say that I agree on many points you made about this great movie. Here are just two.

I think the Peter Falk character really hurt the film. It was difficult to accept him as a surgeon as many times he behaved like a clown. He didn't seem to take his part seriously. Bad casting on that one.

The next is that your totally right about Zhanna Prokhorenko, she is completely beautiful beyond all belief. Her parts in this film were brief but the best of the whole movie (IMO). The scene in the sunflower fields with the young Italian solder might be one of the most touching I've ever seen in a war film. A love story that only lasted a mere 20 seconds. Just like with Ballad of a Solider, it's haunting and stays with you for a long time.

You asked about if she (Zhanna Prokhorenko) is still with us. Sadly no. She passed away only two months ago at the age of 71. The angel face beauty is forever an angel. RIP

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A 142 min. version streams for free from cinema.mosfilm.ru under the title "They Moved East".

Reasonably good quality print, and watchable video quality

Russian overdubbing, on top of the Italian dubbing

No English subtitles

4:3 aspect ratio (original?)

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Thanks for that.Recently managed to find the 142m Italian version although print was again video quality and ratio 4:3.Never seen a widescreen print and judging by some of the shots it does seem it was filmed in this manner.Shame that a wide scope 2.35 or even 2.55:1 wasn`t used as the sweeping battle scenes and Russian steppes would have looked fantastic.Russian dialogue scenes(and there aren`t many really) were subtitled into Italian although Zhanna Prokerenko`s wailing in the sunflower field still sounds awful;her eyes say everything about the scene and it`s unnecessary.UK dvd was announced by a company called Optimum in 2010 but then got shelved.

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Same video/version with YouTube links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Toen4aCPU (Part 1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx5vu38Wy68 (Part 2)

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