Starting the engine.


Okay, I have not an insignificant knowledge of internal combustion engines, but I'm wondering about the engine starting in this film, particularly when Towns shuts the ignition off and fires a cartridge to "clean out the cylinders". It was great drama yes, and the interaction with Dorfmann was perfect, but it seems to me that shutting off the ignition would only cause more unburned fuel to fill the cylinders (assuming the flame front from the cartridge wouldn't reach the cylinders). But even if the flame front from the starter cartridge did reach the cylinders, there still would be no advantage to turning off the ignition, and no particular cleaning of the cylinders, or am I missing something here?

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agreed, the standard way of clearing a flooded engine is choke all the way ope, throttle all the way open. the low charge velocity will not pull any additinal fuel from the carbutors, and clear the excess fuel. on old radials, they sometimes induced a backfire to clear excess carbon or a fouled plug. i always assumed thats what townes was doing, but i have no experience with radial engines, so i can`t comment on the procedure.
lou

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The other aspect of this is that once the engine is started everyone including Towns and Lew jumps for joy, however they aren't even off the ground, and they didn't have much faith in the "toy plane designer".

For who would bear the whips and scorns of Hollywood... (;-p)

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i was wondering how the force from the shell is transmitted from the little ashtray thing he put it in, down to the engine in such a way that it turns it

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doesnt make sense to me either. How would that little shell turn a huge prop. And the engergy of the men seems out of place since they have been in the desert for so long and working hard.

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doesnt make sense to me either. How would that little shell turn a huge prop.


I did some reading on the Coffman starter, and it was apparently very effective and reliable, so I guess we have to go on faith that it does indeed work.


And the engergy of the men seems out of place since they have been in the desert for so long and working hard.


Yeah, after that much time with little food, water and probably little rest, they surely did do a fancy jig when the engine fired. I guess we can say it was a last spurt of adrenaline.


It is bad to drink Jobu's rum. Very bad.

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They had plenty of figs for energy. :)

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They had plenty of figs for energy. :) - DeepFriedJello

Those were dates they were eating.

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I think you hit the nail on the head in your second sentence: starting the engine the way they showed it produced some of the most effective moments in the film,--full of suspense and real danger--which makes for (as the saying goes) great cinema if not a whole lot of sense. These moments before takeoff make the film feel dang near musical. It plays like a symphony or, better still, a concerto, and it builds to a terrific climax. Movie magic, not real life; and true artistry.

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Totally agree. I can't understand how the remake managed to totally butchered the drama of the pre-departure scenes, after having decades of planning for the remake.

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Thanks, strntz. I haven't seen the Flight Of The Phoenix remake and have no desire to. The problem I have with remakes,--and I'm not against them entirely, and many have pointed out how many great films ARE remakes to one degree or another--is, for all that, when something near to perfection is achieved just once, it's a miracle, a cause to rejoice, as we all know, which is one of the many reasons we're here.

It's a pleasure to "see it done right". Just from the American canon (as it were), I think of John Ford's Stagecoach. That kind of story had been done done dozens of times at least; indeed, from the same year the B classic Five Came Back told a somewhat similar story beautifully. In a sense one might say we're all watching remakes, to one degree or another, all the time. However that may be, they're not, most of them, "official". One only has to think of all the variations on a theme from (name that picture!) The Godfather, The Exorcist or Jaws there were back in the Seventies (and that's just the Seventies).

To get back on board with Flight Of The Phoenix, its splendid humanity, its wide range of characters under duress; and that includes threats from within the main group of survivors, not just the heat, the Arabs, the poor food supply, puts it in a class by itself. The purely technical stuff can, I suppose be "improved on", but not the writing, acting, pacing, the seasoned directing of a master like Robert Aldrich. His filmography is full of films with those "touches", some better than others. I think of the over the top but still effective Hush, Hush...Sweet Charlotte. A horror it is, more genre feeling than Phoenix, it's hurt by being overlong and being bogged down by convoluted plot twists.



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To get back on board with Flight Of The Phoenix, its splendid humanity, its wide range of characters under duress; and that includes threats from within the main group of survivors, not just the heat, the Arabs, the poor food supply, puts it in a class by itself. The purely technical stuff can, I suppose be "improved on", but not the writing, acting, pacing, the seasoned directing of a master like Robert Aldrich. His filmography is full of films with those "touches", some better than others.


Nicely said. I've seen this film dozens of times yet when channel scanning, I *must* stop and watch it should I come across it. Everything from the cast to the editing flat out clicked, and when that happens, "movies is magic".


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Same here. It's in my top 5 all time films. I started to watch the remake, but found it unwatchable, as most remakes are IMHO. By the way I was zensixties on the original IMDB comments. Anyway I'm rewatching it now...for the 30th time--it never gets old!

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I also find most remakes poorly made, but I'm certainly not a remake hard-ass and I do enjoy some remakes better than the originals, but that's uncommon. The remake of Flight is abysmal from a cast, acting, and story modification standpoint.

To me, a movie should be considered for a remake if the story is stronger than the cast, production, effects, etc. in the original. A great story should be told with a super cast and production, but in this case, Flight of the Phoenix 1965 featured a superb cast, superb performances, and excellent production. There was no need to remake this classic.


When I found out that MC was going to grab the old IMDB threads and transplant them here, I kept my original name. Glad to see you made it new name and all!

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