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why did they film it in black and white?


Do you think it was a money issue or a conscience choice? I can't decide which would be better as colour might illustrate the swinging sixties better but black and white seems more elegant.

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Most movies were in black and white then. Why does this bother you?

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Actually, most movies were in color back then. I think black and white works much better for this film, but I find the color stills on the video box very misleading.

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Many British films back then were in black and white.

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It was deliberate, somewhat avante-garde--considering how well-established Techni-Color was by then--and allegorical on several levels. In B&W the main themes become amplified, while the details are de-emphasized.

If nothing else, as several coffee-table books have since shown, B&W was excellent for showing off the Mid-Century Modernist architecture--both interior and exterior--featured throughout the film, especially Miles' home and office. So CRISP. So SHARP. The volumetric and geometric dialog so much more dominant than any of the colors or textures involved. (That post-International Style is really holding up well, and making a huge retro comeback.)

OTOH, the B&W treatment made Robert's traditional flat look extra drab and frumpy.

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To be honest, only in the outdoors scenes in Italy, with those magnificent vistas, did the monochromatic starkness of B&W intrude upon my conscious viewing, and seem a bit unreal. In all the indoor scenes, and even the London street scenes, I wasn't aware of it at all, it just seemed "natural".

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Totally agree :)





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"Actually, most movies were in color back then".

A quick lot count seems to reveal that it was more like a rather fifty-fifty deal between color/b&w movies in the early-to-mid-sixties. Sure, this "lot" of mine is obviously a drop in the ocean amidst the number of all films produced, but it should give at least ´some´ sense of the balance...

And, yeah, b&w was definitely right for Darling as otherwise the flamboyantly rich period decor may have proved too much of a distraction. Must have been important to un-prettify things a bit there.



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Many filmmakers aesthetically preferred black and white, especially for more dramatic subjects, and some still would use b/w if given the chance.

By the mid-1960s though sales to TV were an increasingly important part of a film's income and TV wanted colour so very few monochrome films were made after about 1966.

Incidentally, the difference in cost between shooting in colour and b/w by that point was negligible for a professional film.

Not entirely scientific, but looking at a list of 1965 British Films (most would have been shot in 1964) :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_films_of_1965

Of the ones I know off the top of my head: 37 were in colour, 23 were in b/w. The colour total would be slightly skewed upwards by the several essentially Hollywood studio high-budget films made in the UK.

There are plenty of US-financed films with a perfectly sufficient budget made in b/w e.g. The Spy Who Came In From The Cold, The Bedford Incident, Bunny Lake Is Missing, The Hill and plenty of far lower-budget films made in colour such as The Skull (all the Amicus Productions for that matter), Gonks Go Beat, Licensed to Kill, She, and A Study in Terror.

I think it's clear that if you strip out the very highest budget studio-financed pictures where colour would be compulsory and strip out the couple of films made on a completely shoe-string budget like Four in the Morning and the made-for-TV The War Game, the remaining films were made in b/w or colour mainly on the basis of which was thought most suitable for the subject matter and the preferences of the filmmakers rather than budget alone.

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Could have been to be able to show on television which was B&W at the time. Would have been better in color if you ask me.

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B&W was used by many European film makers at that time.

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The B&W definitely gives the film a more documentary "cinema-verite" feeling, the likes of which were really becoming prominent back then. At times it almost feels as if the film was shot not on 35mm stock but 16mm and blown up.

The B&W also works well with things like "freeze-frame" which are more the domain of experimental film, and the use of pseudo-newsreels (all B&W at the time).

All that said, the producers of the film may have thought "Hey - here's a good script that won't cost a fortune because it uses B&W rather than Color," in which case the film was greenlighted.

Perhaps the best example of this kind of British filmmaking is Peter Brooks' "Lord of the Flies" (1963). It's shot on a Caribbean isle, but the dark nature of the piece means no one longs for gorgeous Technicolor shots a la "South Pacific."

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I absolutely agree with your assessment. The whole tone of the film was "documentary-style" ~~~ and presented like a feature-length newsreel.

I've also felt that the film's whole "post noir-ish" feeling would be spoiled if it had been in color.

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It was filmed in black and white for one reason: IT WAS FAR CHEAPER THAN COLOR.

This was a relatively low budget film and B&W stock was much cheaper and more forgiving to work with than color. Cheaper film stock, lower development costs, a smaller budget to cover with ticket sales.

I can't believe people don't know this. It's a digital world and apparently people don't understand the old tech anymore.

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Have to agree. All my favourite films of that era Billy Liar, This Sporting Life, A Taste of Honey were in Black and White and I'm sure a stylistic choice to film in black and white had very little to do with it.

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By 1965 although b/w was still somewhat cheaper it wasn't so much that a professional film couldn't afford the difference. This is evidenced by the fact that within a couple of years of Darling being shot virtually all mainstream films, of whatever budget, were in colour and the fact that very many lower-budgeted films had been shot in colour for well over a decade before Darling.

There was very much an aesthetic preference amongst many filmmakers for shooting at least some subjects in b/w. They thought that colour often prettified dramatic subjects and preferred monochrome's graphic and atmospheric qualities.

There were some filmmakers who shot in b/w for as long as they could but once colour TV took hold in the US (and TV sales often made the difference between profit and loss) directors rarely had the choice.

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1. Cost.

2. Most BRITISH films at the time were in B&W, so color would have been an aberration.

3. In spite of the upscale nature of the characters, this was a British New Wave film -- which focused on dissatisfaction and dead ends -- and with next to no exceptions all BNW films were in black and white.

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"Most BRITISH films at the time were in B&W, so color would have been an aberration"

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No.

Most UK-shot films in the same year were in colour, some of them with a much lower budget than Darling were in colour, some with a much higher budget (and US financed) were in b/w.

Cost was not usually the deciding factor in whether a film shot in 1964/5 on an adequate budget was shot in colour or b/w.

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I disagree. Most notable UK films released in 1965 were shot in black and white.
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It depends on a definition of "notable". If you mean "artistically notable" then we might agree, given that it's a subjective judgement as to which films qualify.

I've said here and on other threads that many of the most artistically-inclined filmmakers preferred b/w.
It was often felt at the time that colour tended to be gaudy, commercial and mainly suitable for epics, musicals, adventure pics etc and b/w was better for dramatic, atmospheric, artistic or realistic subjects. (see any book which seriously asks a number of filmmakers of the period what they thought e.g. "The Making of a Feature Film" by Ivan Butler, Pelican Books 1971)

I think that which films were or were not notable is rather beside the point though. The question is whether or not filmmakers filming in Britain in 1964 (when Darling and most of the films released in 1965 were shot) made the decision to shoot in b/w solely on the basis of cost (regardless of whether the film turned out to be notable or not).

As I've said in another reply on this thread there were far cheaper films than Darling made in colour (e.g. several Amicus films) and much more expensive (including Hollywood studio-financed) films made in b/w.
Even such a commercial outfit as Hammer made films in both colour and b/w depending on the subject and feel - Their gothic horrors and adventure flicks were all colour, their psychological thrillers and dramas mainly b/w.

Even if one ignores the testimony of many film makers of the time who were quite clear about the matter, if the criterion had been almost entirely cost then you would see a fairly smooth curve on a graph with cheaper films all being made in b/w and gradually all the more expensive films in colour. That simply isn't the case.

Of course, as I've said before 1965-1966 was really the big turning point. As US TV increasingly demanded colour films (and TV sales became increasingly commercially important) then it became virtually compulsory to shoot in colour. By 1967 almost no professional feature films, at least in the English-speaking world, were being shot in b/w.
(In countries where sales to US TV were not an issue - eg behind the Iron Curtain - films continued to be made in b/w in significant numbers.)

This all points up the fact that it wasn't cost which was the primary factor as budgets weren't being significantly increased. Money was being found within existing budgets to shoot in colour. If any film with a half-decent budget in 1967 could afford to shoot in colour, so could a similar film in 1965 if it had really wanted to.
Colour was certainly more expensive to shoot than b/w but in the context of a professionally-budgetted film the difference in cost was not so significant that it was the main deciding factor.

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England was still different from the U.S. in 1964/65. They were still shooting in b/w, whereas the U.S. market demanded color.
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It was not only B&W, it was grainy. European filmmakers just didn't have the budgets that Hollywoodites had in those days (still don't for that matter).


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Do you have ANY idea what you are are talking about ? Budget has nothing to do with the "Grain" in this film. It was shot in 35 NOT 16. Dr. Strangelove (from the same era) is Grainy and Contrast-y as well. Do you really think it is because Kubrick didn't have enough money to make it ? It was actually an artistic choice made by Kubrick and some of the film was shot on a then new High-Speed stock. Gordon Willis ASC is still revered by DP's today and many of the films he shot in the 1970's would be considered "Grainy" by your standards. Slickness, and modern CGI phoniness do not mean better. The high-contrast B&W look of "Darling" suits it perfectly.

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Why? Why was Raging Bull (1980) shot in B&W ? The level of taste and intelligence displayed in these boards is depressingly low.

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The level of taste and intelligence displayed in these boards is depressingly low.

Indeed, since you're equating the motivations behind technical choices of films from different eras. The level of snotty condescension, on the other hand, remains reliably high.

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Bravo!

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