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Why are people saying The Kid was better? He made a HUGE blunder!


In the last hand, McQueen made the worst play in the history of all gambling movies: he gave Robinson a free card. To me, Robinson didn't outplay McQueen - it was rather a suicide committed by McQueen's character. It wasn't just a dumb play, it was a mind-bobblingly idiotic play by the Kid.

Why did he suddenly turn into an idiot-mode? My only quess is that he was too aggressive and too hungry to begin with, and Robinson was actually laying back and letting him win a few rounds here and there, knowing that eventually the aggressive opponent would commit suicide one way or another.

"Good players calculate the odds, while great players calculate each others", as the old saying goes. To me, McQueen was in the "good" department, Robinson was in the "great" column.

Either way, all the wannabe-pokerstars on this board could really stop arguing how much better the Kid was in that final hand. If you can't see why the Kid sucked arsche to a level of mind-bobbling stupidity, you don't really understand much about the game. :P

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I don't get it. THe Kid had a full house and assumed that if Robinson stayed in the game, he likely had either a straight or a flush, thinking the kid might only have two pair.

No one would fold that hand, it was just catastrophically bad luck.

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> In the last hand, McQueen made the worst play in the history of all gambling movies: he gave Robinson a free card. To me, Robinson didn't outplay McQueen - it was rather a suicide committed by McQueen's character. It wasn't just a dumb play, it was a mind-bobblingly idiotic play by the Kid.

You are erroneous.

He did not "give a free card."

On the last card, Stoner check-raised. He was trapping Lancey, thinking his full house beat Lancey's flush (or to allow him to bluff a flush).

So Stoner checked, to "show weakness", then Lancey fell into his "trap" and made a small value bet. Which had to be a value bet and had to indicate a flush, because it's the only hand he could have that beat 2-pair, and a bluff would've been for a lot more.

Then, Stoner raised (representing a full house) and Lancey reraised (representing that he had the J of Diamonds, and a straight flush).

There was no free card. You misunderstood the movie and the game.

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isn't that what the game's about, making the wrong move at the Right time

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Did he win? Then it was not a dumb play.

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Some say it was scripted

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