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Just noticed something really sad about the Panzerlied


Of course the Panzerlied is a great scene, but I was just watching the movie again and I noticed something really sad. You know the young tank commander standing in the corner who starts the whole thing? He gets killed just a few scenes later!

It happens just before Hessler's command vehicle drives over the mine, while he is briefing his tank commanders in front of the big map. Panzerlied guy is sitting on the right side of the table, next to Hessler. So he gets killed along with all the others when the mine explodes under the vehicle. What a lousy way for him to go. :(

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As someone else pointed out in another thread on this board, one of the lines in one of the later verses of Panzerlied (which they never sing, as they simply sing the first verse over and over about five or six times instead) is: "Fur Deutschland zu sterben is Ehren so hoch!" or "To die for Germany is the highest honor!"

The guy was wearing the insignia of a Leutnant, equivalent to an American Second Lieutenant, so he was obviously an idealistic young shavetail eager to prove himself (as I once was!); he may not have been hit by direct fire, but he still counted as KIA, so he shouldn't have minded dying that way.

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I don't give a damn about any of these Nazis,
they can all burn in hell for what I care!

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Settle down: it's a movie.

Robert Shaw was irish.

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He was born in England. Raised in England. Spent some time in Scotland as a boy.

He moved to Ireland after he became a "name" to escape British taxes. He died there of a heart attack in 1978.

but he wasn't Irish.


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Alfuso is right. I stand corrected!

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I thought a Great White got him?

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You know, most of them were just regular conscripts.

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Exactly. They were brave young men fighting for their country, just as the Americans were fighting for theirs. It's ridiculous to dismiss them all as 'Nazis'.

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Absolutely; the vast majority were not SS or Gestapo or party member fanatics. Just Wehrmacht, regular German army.

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Those men were part of an SS Panzer brigade, so being a Nazi was a big thrill for them.

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Don't be ridiculous. If they were SS, why would they use Heer uniforms?

SS would have the eagle on the sleeve rather than the chest, and have the SS runes on the kragenspiegel, and a death head on their caps.

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That young German panzer officer had the Iron Cross 2nd, Class, Iron Cross 1st Class, and the Panzer Assualt Badge, so he had seen some action. What is just as bad is that among the dead in the blown up trailer were two officers who were wearing the Knights Cross, Germany's highest award, so the loss of highly decorated, combat experience officers was something that the Germans couldn't afforded to lose. One of the Knights Cross officers in the scene was the one who put a cigarette in his mouth and Colonel Kessler informed him that he had not given anyone permission to smoke and the man apologies for it.

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That Leutnant already prove himself because if you had noticed his uniform, he was wearing both the Iron Cross Second Class and First Class, so he had combat experience compare to the rest of the group.

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It is both uplifting and a sad song.

Deutsch:

1. Ob's stürmt oder schneit,
Ob die Sonne uns lacht,
Der Tag glühend heiß
Oder eiskalt die Nacht.
Bestaubt sind die Gesichter,
Doch froh ist unser Sinn,
Ist unser Sinn;
Es braust unser Panzer
Im Sturmwind dahin.

2. Mit donnernden Motoren,
Geschwind wie der Blitz,
Dem Feinde entgegen,
Im Panzer geschützt.
Voraus den Kameraden,
Im Kampf steh'n wir allein,
Steh'n wir allein,
So stoßen wir tief
In die feindlichen Reihn.

3. Wenn vor uns ein feindliches
Heer dann erscheint,
Wird Vollgas gegeben
Und ran an den Feind!
Was gilt denn unser Leben
Für unsres Reiches Heer?
Ja Reiches Heer?
Für Deutschland zu sterben
Ist uns höchste Ehr.

4. Mit Sperren und Minen
Hält der Gegner uns auf,
Wir lachen darüber
Und fahren nicht drauf.
Und droh'n vor uns Geschütze,
Versteckt im gelben Sand,
Im gelben Sand,
Wir suchen uns Wege,
Die keiner sonst fand.

5. Und läßt uns im Stich
Einst das treulose Glück,
Und kehren wir nicht mehr
Zur Heimat zurück,
Trifft uns die Todeskugel,
Ruft uns das Schicksal ab,
Ja Schicksal ab,
Dann wird uns der Panzer
Ein ehernes Grab.

English:

In blizzard or storm,
Or in sun warm and bright,
The day hot as hell
Or bone-chilling be the night,
Our faces may with dust be laid,
But spirits never fade,
No, never fade;
Relentless, our tank
Thunders out on a raid.

With engines a-howling,
Fast as is the wind,
We head for the foe,
Safe, as we're in armor skinned.
Our comrades still behind us roam;
We fight the foe alone,
Yes, fight alone.
We stab through the line
To break the foes backbone.

Whenever the foe
May appear in our sight,
We'll ram throttle full,
Then we'll humble all his might!
Of what use is our life if we
Our country serve freely?
Yes, serve freely!
To die for our country,
Our honour shall be.

With tank traps and mines,
Our foe tries to impede.
We laugh at his ruses;
We know he'll not suceed.
And when, in threat, his cannons stand,
Half hidden in the sand,
Yes, in the sand,
We can find our way
Over much safer land.

And should at long last,
Fickle Lady Luck leave,
And we remain here,
Leaving family to grieve,
A bullet with our name on it,
Find us and seal our fate,
Yes, seal our fate,
Our tank will our grave be
On that final date.

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Note that there's nothing Nazi or any other type of politics in the lyrics. It's a good fighting song for any fighting force. It's still used today by the the German Bundeswehr Panzer Corps, and I believe, with appropriate modifications, by the Austrian Army Panzer Corps too. I'm pretty sure that Arnold Schwarzenegger, when he was a tanker in the Austrian Army, had to learn and sing this song!

As I said on another thread, the lyrics of the official song of the US Army Armor Corps are very similar to the middle verses of the Panzerlied: closing in with the enemy, armor leading the way and breaking through for the infantry and artillery to follow. The Panzerlied just starts out subtly with lyrics that could have been written for the US Postal Service: "neither blizzard nor storm nor heat or bone-chilling night!" Then it pushes past the middle verses to dying for your country and your tank becoming your steel tomb, lyrics that would never be allowed in an official US military song.

The thing wrong with the US Army Armor Song is that the melody it sounds-- no exaggeration here-- a lot like the Mickey Mouse March. I can almost guarantee you that no tanker in the US Army, in the 95-year history of the Armor corps, ever got his blood up for battle by singing it. John Philip Sousa wrote the official march of the Cavalry Corps, Sabre and Spurs-- no lyrics, and isn't quite as bad-assed sounding as the Panzerlied but you can still picture John Wayne galloping to it-- but that went by the wayside when the Cavalry and Armor branches merged in 1951. The Army tossed out the wrong song, IMHO!

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dying for your country is just pathetic and stupid. like the generals or presidents will thank you.
if more people thought like me then there would be no wars,just two warmongers in a ring killing each other instead and people would live in peace

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Yeah ok - because Vikings with a penchant for Darkness were always such a peace loving lot eh ?

That which does not Kill me makes me Stranger

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Yeah ok - because Vikings with a penchant for Darkness were always such a peace loving lot eh ?

That which does not Kill me makes me Stranger

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Back in the hippie dippy days they had a saying, "What if they gave a war and nobody came?"

I have my own version of that question, "What if somebody else declared war, and nobody on your side came?"

War is the the worst thing that people can do, unless the result of not going to war will be even worse. So, be a pacifist if you want, but I consider you immoral for living behind my protection, especially while you condemn me for providing that protection. And I sincerely advise you to not get between me and those I am protecting you from. Because I am also protecting others that want my protection, including me.

The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank.

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What's sad about it?

"I don't need to believe it's real. I just need to believe it."

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a "lousy way for him to go"???? in war, is there ever a GOOD way to go??? the end result is still the same---it's the end of someone's life due to the fact that 2 countries disagree!

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Yes, in 1941 to 1945 it was just a national disagreement. Hitler wanted control of the world and several countries would not agree to letting him take over. Like I have said before, if you won't help, stay out of the way.

The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank.

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This was sad to you? Seriously? I mean this enthusiastic Nazis wannabe is part of an attack and gets killed and this makes you sad??? We learned nothing about his character except details from his uni and that he likes to sing and you somehow got attached??? If Conrad got killed that would be tragic but Nazis wannabe singer???

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One of the historical distortions made in this movie is that these particular soldiers were regular Wermacht soldiers and I think that distortion includes them singing the Panzerlied. In real life the spear point of the operation was an Waffen SS Panzer Corps and they would more likely be singing the Horst Wessel Lied. They were not "Nazi wannabes," but actual Nazis, loyal members of the NSDAP.

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Indeed you are right. It was lead 1st SS Panzer Division and notorious Joachim Pieper (in which Col. Hessler is partially based on). Fitted with Tiger II's just for the operation. All men Waffen-SS, while by that time Waffen-SS was recruiting other than party member's Piper's officers were all elite. Piper was elite commander, who was given best men, best tanks and best Waffen-SS had to offer so most officers and tank commander's were if not member's of Nazi party, were believing the ideology or otherwise they would have not been in that unit. After all, it was 1st SS Panzer Division Adolf Hitler. It was Hitler's own personal bodyguards Tank Regiment. You don't get assigned there unless you are member of the party and have gone thru background check by Gestapo... atl east for officer's and tank commanders atleast.

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