Oh the irony


I found it amazing how the general reminded the press of how many of the soldiers had fought in the resistance against the Nazi's and later continued to act as if the French presence in Algeria was in anyway justified. The irony that they themselves had fought for freedom and liberty from outside oppressors and were then fighting against a people who asked for nothing more than the French wanted from the Germans, seemed to be completely lost on everyone..

On another note, this film is incredibly relevant for the current conflict in Gaza. This is what happens when you occupy, regiment and humiliate people in their own country - you essentially give them Carte Blanche to do whatever it takes to overthrow that power. Ben M'Hidi's quote fits perfectly into Hamas' situation.

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Irony indeed, but hardly the first time in history. Look at how many black people fought in the Civil War on both sides, were valued for it, then treated badly afterwards. Look how long women in most cultures were (or continue to be) placed on pedestals as icons of home and comfort, but face violent opposition when they exercise their human right to equality.

People have a tremendous ability, often aided and encouraged by religion and social pressure, to compartmentalize. That's true of their sins and their virtues. We are nothing if consistently inconsistant, even when it costs money and wastes minds and even lives. And just to stay marginally on-topic, this is a fascinating movie.

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Completely agreed. I have to wonder how many of the French soldiers in Algeria realized that they were playing exactly the same role that the German soldiers had in their own country. It's astounding to think of someone going straight from fighting for his own people's liberation to fighting to suppress another people's liberation. In the case of that colonel, after fighting in the French resistance he went first to suppress Vietnam and then to suppress Algeria. It was incredible to see him talk about the armed struggle of Vietnam seemingly without realizing that he had been in the French equivalent of the Viet Minh.

A lot of it was racial. That colonel, and many other French, probably thought that THEY deserved to be free because they were white, while the darker-skinned and non-Christian peoples of Algeria, Vietnam and other places didn't deserve that same freedom because they were "inferior" beings.

On another note, this film is incredibly relevant for the current conflict in Gaza. This is what happens when you occupy, regiment and humiliate people in their own country - you essentially give them Carte Blanche to do whatever it takes to overthrow that power. Ben M'Hidi's quote fits perfectly into Hamas' situation.
Spot-on.

R.I.P President Hugo Chavez 1954-2013

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Ironically France now has a large population of Algerians and other North African groups. The same can be said about the African and East Indian populations in Britain. In a way, it is kinda like payback for colonialism.

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That's a direct consequence of colonialism and neocolonialism. The exploitation of the third world by the first world robs people of a chance to live a decent life in their homelands, forcing them to migrate. Mexico is a good example. NAFTA pulverized the Mexican people, especially farmers, who couldn't compete with big American agribusiness and were driven off their land with nowhere to go and no way to make a living. So what could they do? They had to go north in search of means to survive, scrubbing white people's toilets in the US for sub-minimum wage. Then when they get there, they're demonized, discriminated, exploited, even blamed for the problems caused by the very same free-market policies that drove them out of their homeland to begin with.

The same story, with variations, is repeated across the globe. Africa, Asia, the Middle East. Economic policies dictated by the Western powers create misery. "Open your economies, privatize everything, let us flood your markets with our products, let our capitalists buy up everything you own, sell us the factories and mines and farms and oil fields, and get rid of those minimum wages and labor laws so we can make maximum profit!" Colonialism and neo-colonialism, the rape of the third world by the ruling class of the first world, drives millions, hundreds of millions, of people into destitution, forcing them to migrate in search of work to survive. They go to Europe, North America, Japan, Australia, in search of the wealth plundered from their homelands. Then when they get there they become an underclass, still deprived of the life they seek, driven to ghettoes, humiliated, oppressed and discriminated, their very existence criminalized. "It's a Muslim takeover!" "The Mexicans are taking our jobs!" South Asians in Britain, Arabs in France, Latinos in the US, it's all the same story.

And since socialism disappeared from East Europe, and the East European nations have become neo-colonies themselves, the same story is repeated there. Poles, Yugoslavs, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Russians, driven to destitution as their countries are taken over by Western monopoly capitalists and forced to migrate to Western countries like Germany and Britain, and despite being white they're treated almost as badly as the Asians, Africans and Latin Americans, a lower caste.

It's the way of colonialism, of imperialism, of capitalism.

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And since socialism disappeared from East Europe, and the East European nations have become neo-colonies themselves, the same story is repeated there.


No they're not, you're talking absolute drivel. However, they were neo-colonies of the USSR. Its no coincidence that the poorest nations in Europe are the ex eastern bloc countries who had communism forced upon them by the USSR.

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I don't know the history very well, but perhaps the French soldiers didn't see the irony because they saw the conflict as more of an uprising or civil war. Algeria had been a part of France for over a hundred years. They simply thought they were restoring peace to their country. They saw the Germans as invaders so it was just to resist. I'm not sure if this is accurate, but just a hunch.

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You may not know the History very well but much better than everybody else in this thread.

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