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biblical dimension of the movie


Maybe i'm taking some shortcuts, but I think that this movie could not have been shot had Kurosawa not read the gospels.

Red Beard is some kind of Jesus in his own way.

He is turning people who are objects, who don't seem to be able to use their own will, into subjects ready to make the choice to help others (Yasumoto/Otoyo/the women of the clinic...).

And he is teaching disciples who will carry on his work.

I cannot see many other movies that make me feel so good and optimistic.

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What, you mean only Christians can be good, generous and inspirational people?
Lucky for Japan that the Black Ships arrived with their big guns, then, wasn't it?

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hello heatherowen, no thats not at all what i meant.

no need to send agressive messages like this. im not trying to promote christianity here - not being a diehard christian myself. and by the way, i don't really see what Jesus Christ has to do with the black ships (but i'm sure you could write an essay about this, no need, no need :-) )

i just thought there was something about Red Beard thats very close to Jesus. Yatsumoto also is some sort fo Peter, who starts doubting, but end up believing. Lots of parallels can be drawn between some episodes of the movie and the gospels.

But now that i've thought it over after a few months: maybe what stroke me most when i saw the movie is that it is told like the gospels. Small episodes that illustrate a weakness of the human soul.


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Here's an alternative, then - perhaps Akahige is Kobo Daishi (he of the 88-temple pilgrimage in Shikoku.) He also healed the sick, gathered disciples and inspired people. This would make Yasumoto Emon Saburo - he's certainly arrogant enough, at the start, and he learns humility; you could even say he is reborn, as Emon was. How about that?

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Well, that silenced everyone, didn't it?

Come on, happinessonline, what do you think? Go Google, if you don't know about Kobo Daishi, then give us your thoughts. I think it's a cheering fact that goodness and inspiration can be found in every human society, however diverse.

Is that a white stone in your hand?

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While I agree with your point that there are a number of possible sources similar to that of Jesus/Christianity and that it is a stretch to assume those are the only possible basis for the character, you, heatherowen, are obviously anti-christianity with your blatant defiance of it as even a possibility and you silly little remarks. You could have made a point without being so vehemently against Christianity. You attacked the OP for their narrowmindedness, only to reveal your own such fault.

"They put a gun in your face, you still have a choice." -Jack Foley

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That's very funny, that the two pro-Christian posters on this board are the ones who are being aggressive, and accusing others of being aggressive. Everyone else is interested in exploring the wider possibilities. I'm not anti- anything, I'm pro-humanity.

You might also care to look at a map.

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Where did I say that I was pro-Christian? And I don't need a map. I agreed with your point. Also I don't feel that my post was aggressive and I'm sorry if it read that way. I just made some observations, that's all. The reason I called you anti-Christian is because you have made several (your last post included) slight remarks implying that you have a certain strong opinion towards Christianity and that it isn't positive. Perhaps anti-Christian was too bold and an exaggeration, but you certainly have a slanted viewpoint of Christians and Christianity. Am I wrong?

"They put a gun in your face, you still have a choice." -Jack Foley

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H’mm. Well, the fact that you called me blatantly anti-Christian, silly, narrow-minded and biased did lead me to believe that you were a little riled. But if you tell me you’re not, I’ll accept that, of course, and I’m very glad to hear it. It’s much pleasanter if we are all civilised and friendly.

Do I have a slanted view of Christianity? Yes, probably; the angle of your viewpoint depends on where you’re standing. I stand flat-footed on the ground, having no religious beliefs at all, and view the diverse religions of the world with varying degrees of sympathy, admiration and puzzlement.

The original poster on this board annoyed me by applying his/her assumptions and belief system to someone else’s culture. A teacher at my small son’s prep school annoyed me similarly by telling her class of seven-year-old boys that Christianity was the only true religion – this to a group of about fifteen children that included two Muslims, a Hindu, a Sikh, a Buddhist and a Jew. That’s what I call narrow-mindedness! We are Londoners, which may be the nearest thing possible to being citizens of the world – we rejoice in having friends and neighbours of almost every culture and creed imaginable. There is no justification for imposing your beliefs on anyone else, or for thinking that they are a universally accepted truth. That's my problem with one or two, I'm sure not the majority, of Christian believers.

Let’s get back to Akahige - still nobody’s commented on my Kobo Daishi theory! It would be interesting to hear of similar figures in other belief systems – as I said before, it’s cheering to think that such desirable traits are universal.

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I didn't mean to say Christianity was the only true religion (what does this mean anyway?)... I'm sorry if that's what my original comment meant to some people. Of course, I see the movie through the filter of my own culture, and i am not Japanese.

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with ancient Japanese history. I've just read the article about Kobo Daishi on Wikipedia, but i guess my knowledge will be a bit short to discuss the subject.

One modern figure who shows such humanity is Gandhi.

By the way, happy new year 2007.

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Happy new year to you too, happiness.
Yes indeed, I agree about Gandhi. So that's three, and counting - there must be many more...
Can anyone tell us about Sikh gurus?

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The themes of compassion for the meek, sense of honour and duty to the less fortunate, etc. while clearly expounded by the teachings of Jesus, are hardly strictly the domain of Christianity.

While Kurosawa certainly must have a decent understanding of the gospels and Jesus' teachings (his knowledge of Shakespeare gives us some window with which to view his understanding of "western" themes), I think it is a narrow view that claims it could not have been written if not for the gospels.

I don't think I need to make a list of great, compassionate people who have gathered so-called disciples in the name of humanity. While among them, Jesus was most certainly not the first, or last.

What was it? The beard?



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The themes of compassion for the meek, sense of honour and duty to the less fortunate, etc. while clearly expounded by the teachings of Jesus, are hardly strictly the domain of Christianity.

Yes. Perhaps happinessonline has it wrong: One of the greatest philosphers was the Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius(Imperator Caesar Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus). His writings "Meditations" stresses service, duty and spirituality. The lack of reading Christian texts gives strength to the ideas kindness and compassion as it shows them to be universal and not just the domain of organized religion

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The Christian element that Westerners recognise in this film is the combination of male compassion and sacrifice (Jesus) with the sexist notion of the origin of suffering being female (Eve). The reoccurring moral of the various subplots of the film is that because women (the Mantis, Chigusa, Onaka, Rokusuke's wife) betray men or are otherwise selfish (the brothel owner) due to their nature , everyone (including extended families) has to suffer, and only men, being noble, can take on the heroic burden of sacrificing themselves to lessen that suffering.

Compassion is a central tenet of Buddhism. The influence of Buddhism on the New Testament (via the Hellenic Greeks) is often overlooked. In the 3rd c. BC the Indian king Ashoka the Great sent Buddhist emissaries to Antioch, Egyptian Alexandria, Rome, Macedonia and possibly Jerusalem. The Seleucids had previously united Jerusalem and the Buddhist Greco-Bactria (modern day Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir) under one empire.

Even though the Seleucid empire had crumbled when the gospels were written, Greek culture and philosophy remained dominant. It's no coincidence the New Testament was written in Greek. The ancient Greeks were avid syncretists, mixing the religions of the then known world. Christianity was no different. If Christianity had no influences from other religions and philosophies (besides Buddhism and Judaism, there are traces of Zoroastrianism and Pagan Stoicism) there would have been no reason for it to split off from Judaism.

The early Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria acknowledged the influence of Buddhism (and many other religions) on Christianity.

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I think happinessonline has a valid point. It also struck me when watching this amazing film and made me wonder if Kurosawa was christian. Of course this could be because I am catholic myself and I lack a thorough knowledge about other religions/ideologies views on charity. However, I believe charity is more stressed in christianism than in other ideologies lets say for example marxism (which would focus on social justice),or stoicism or buddhism (on peace of mind and self-knowledge). I say this with the utmost respect and admitting both my ignorance (which in a topic so large as this is inevitable) and my bias.
On a purely filmic comment the only think that I didn´t like in this movie was the fight in the brothel,I felt it didn´t belong here. The rest is nearly perfect and the scene where they are shouting at the well is just incredible. One of my all-time favourites.

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I certainly hope Kurosawa was not Christian.

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He wasn't a Christian and Red Beard is based on two seperate books.

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The Bible is not the only fictional story about a man trying to help and teach others...

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Hear! Hear!

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I think that may be a stretch, I mean the same parallels could be drawn up to make Red Beard look like a parallel between any world religion. Mohamed had disciples, as did Jesus as did Buddha (and hundreds more spiritual leaders), I think, like all films it comes down to how you interpret it. To you Red Beard may be a Christ like figure, to others a man who represents the goodness we are all capable of. Like all great films, it can bend to accommodate different viewers and different viewpoints.

Personally, as a Christian, I still didn't see any parallel beyond some vague similarities. Like the criterion case says, Red Beard is a testament to the goodness of humankind. I view it as something that shows us how good we can be, and the triumph and change that all human beings are capable of. Like Ikiru, it is a beautiful film on all levels.

Last film seen: Triumph of the Will 8/10

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This person may have made the comparison to Jesus simply because he/she is not familiar with similar persons in other cultures. I know I'm not, but as someone pointed out, there are similar types of persons in the Japanese culture and I am sure there are similar people in other cultures. It is impossible to know everything about every culture, so we do tend to look at things from our worldview. As long as we acknowledge that there are other world views, we should be okay.

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Not being familiar with other cultures. I'm not sure if I think this is an excuse for being naive and short sighted. I mean, if you sit down and think about it, does anyone *really* think that the most culturally different person you can imagine doesn't still have the capacity to say, love their child?

Christianity is only 2000 years old, a reasoning person would reason that people before that could still be loving and generous, or else, how come the human race has survived? To think those thoughts, one need not know of the early city states laws concerning theft and murder, or the German Barbaric tribes care for mentally disabled.

I'll just stop here, I could write twenty more pages, but I won't, because this is just silly.

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Whilst watching the film I saw his character as philosophical and moral more than anything else. He was a local doctor that cared for the well being of others, especially those in his community, and he wanted to give everyone an equal chance in life - best proven when he went to the palace and then he was saving a poor girl from the brothel. Fantastic juxtaposition.

I can understand the comparison to Jesus but it's certainly not what I saw through the film because he would happily charge extortionate rates to the rich and was prepared to fight and hurt others to get his way. Perhaps a bit more Robin Hood in that sense, needing the rich to pay to help the poor.

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