I mean Samantha on Bewitched had terrific legs but she was always Darren's equal, in IDOJ we have Jeannie in her skimpy outfit just wanting to please Tony all the time and every other woman is a 'perfect little housewife' or some bimbo Roger is trying to bed. I think The Man Show put it perfectly;
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Adam%27s+The+Man+Show&qft=+Filterui%3auserpage-ucb9oclsbyuahaleg8qalkuq&view=detail&mid=133CF89323C8458E0BEA133CF89323C8458E0BEA&FORM=VRDGAR
IMO, Bewitched was more sexist, Samantha being expected to totally leave her Witchy lifestyle to conform to Darrin's lifestyle, Maurice made that clear that it was unfair once when he talked Darrin into taking a charm that would let him preform Witchcraft.
To me it's not equal is Samantha is going to be yelled at by Darrin every time she does what comes natural to her.
Jeannie, pretty well did what she wanted in spite of what Tony said, and Tony didn't object to Jeannie using her powers and try to make her be something she's not.
THANK YOU! I would have gladly dealt with that extra perk of witchcraft [as long as it was used for good] in a spouse! Darren forbade her to use her witchcraft. She initially tried to comply but you can't teach an old dog new tricks especially when your tricks are just so good!
I would have let Sam do her thing to make life easier [make the vacuum do its thing upstairs while I dusted downstairs or vice versa] as long as no one saw. Watch out for Mrs Kravitz.
Oh God. Fortune vomits on my eiderdown once more.
Rapidly falling in love with Barbara's outfits, watching her now as an air force sergeant which is even better than her go-go dress from the 'MOD' party ep.
shareBut Darrin is quite happy for Sam to use witchcraft when it suits him.
Take the episode where they were out in the car, if was dark and raining, and the car got a puncture.
Darrin had been prevaricating about how humans do everything fine without witchcraft, so Sam just sat there and let him change the wheel himself.
He got back in the car, soaking wet and complained that with a twitch of her nose, the puncture could have been fixed.
Sam said that humans do everything fine without witchcraft.
Darrin had no answer to that one.
Samantha doesn't ever leave being a witch--and Darrin knows this. She is not locked up in a stupid bottle either. She is out and about.
shareSamantha did not leave it. She used it still....and besides Endora...etc always mouthed off to him too. She was not cooped up in some bottle. She was out and about.
shareSamantha pretty much DID leave the world of witchcraft. In fact, in one episode, she became ill (lost her powers) because she wasn't using them often enough and Tabitha is always punished or criticized for using her powers.
In another episode, Samantha refused to attend a mandatory meeting with the Wtiches Council because she knew Darrin would forbid it. They had such a lousy marriage, she had to get Serena to fill in for her while she attended the meeting behind Darrin's back to keep him from being turned into a statue.
Jeannie was MUCH more independent than Samantha, and those who don't think so, need to check out IDOJ again. Like Samantha, Jeannie made the choice to follow Tony back to Florida and attempt to serve him. (Tony is so grateful when Jeannie saves him from being stranded he sets her free).
Jeannie often had different ideas about what was "best" for Tony and wasn't shy about enforcing her opinions, as in the episode when she made every day Sunday to force an exhausted Tony to get some rest, or when she finds out he failed his eye exam and attempts to give him perfect vision so he can go up on his mission.
Jeannie also isn't shy about imposing HER OWN wishes on Tony. In one episode, she decides that Tony needs to get a promotion because "it makes her look bad to have a master who's only a major," ignores Tony's orders to stay away from NASA and becomes his commanding officer's secretary. In yet another episode, she gives Tony a great singing voice so he can win a NASA talent contest and she can have a trophy for the mantel.
By contrast, Samantha is always using her powers to surreptitiously stroke Darrin's fragile (and bigoted!) male ego. For example, it's several times mentioned in the series that Darrin's greatest success is his campaign slogan is the one for "Caldwell's Soup," a slogan Samantha actually thought up and lies about to Darrin when he asks her if she knew what she'd just said.
Jeannie wasn't afraid to be herself, but Samantha was.
Much as I agree with your assessment, this thread was created to troll the fans. This whole sub-forum seems infested with them. Better to show up at the sitcoms-online forum where the trolls often get shown the door. MovieChat doesn't have much in the way of moderation.
I Dream of Jeannie on "Sitcoms Online":
https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=74
That had nothing to do with Sam being a woman though.
Darrin just wanted to live a normal life, for some reason. I never really got what the attraction was though. Why would a powerful attractive woman like Sam want that dweeb?
Samantha was not forced to marry Darrin, so it was not sexist, though finding sexism is the in-thing today. And Darrin was not a bad-looking man. Maybe Liz's attractiveness is over-hyped, by the way.
share“Jeannie, pretty well did what she wanted in spite of what Tony said, and Tony didn't object to Jeannie using her powers and try to make her be something she's not.”
Well yeah, except for when she pissed him off and he banished her to her bottle. That didn’t scream equality.
The fucking show is 50 YEARS OLD. Find something else about which to be righteously triggered. You’re shooting dead fish in a barrel.
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I couldn’t give a shit about the show actually I just thought the comment I quoted was funny so I was taking the piss.
So pull your head in, you dick.
I mean Samantha on Bewitched had terrific legs but she was always Darren's equal, in IDOJ we have Jeannie in her skimpy outfit just wanting to please Tony
I agree tinkerbell and deem.
share Jeannie never listenedto her "Master". She always did what she wanted even if it meant helping Tony Nelson against his wishes. It was pretty much the same with Samantha.
The shows did seem a bit 'sexist' to me when I was a kid. But now that I am older I see them in a different light. The men in the shows are supposedly in charge. But it's the women who have the power. If they choose not to use their power, it's only because they love their men and agree to go along with them. But really, has their ever been a man (and I am talking normal relationship, not an abuser) who could really control his wife AND have a happy home?
Have you ever seen the comedian Ralphie May? He said that his late father gave him great advice about marriage. A married man can either be right OR happy. LOL
There were a number of episodes on both shows where the women had enough and left. Both Tony and Darrin were left standing alone in their living rooms calling out, "I'm sorry. I love you. Please come back." These men were the heads of their households, true, but only because the women they loved voted for them!
She was a genie. Genies One I their masters and wear outfits resembling Arabia's culture at the time it was made
shareI dream of Jeannie was also racist. It just made up stuff re middle eastern culture in early 1960s.
shareThe only reason it got away with it was there was no Internet for viewers to doublecheck. Hollywood could say/do more or less whatever it wanted.
shareI dream of Jeannie was also racist. It just made up stuff re middle eastern culture in early 1960s.
Very.
shareIt's also whitewashing by casting a white woman to play middle easterner genie.
shareThat's because they needed to cast an established beautiful actress who the audience --including women--would enjoy watching; That is not white washing, but the reality of TV. If Marlo Thomas (1/2 middle-eastern) did not have her very large nose reduced, she never would had been cast as the pretty all-amercian woman in That Girl, and so on. You're not supposed to take it so literally.
shareFor the troll pioneergirll: Racism and cultural bias are 2 different things, but “racism” is more emotionally charged. I guess that’s why you chose that.
shareFor pjpurple: One of my favorite quotes, my friend: “Love is a mutual admiration society consisting of 2 people, and the 1 who loves the less is elected its president.”
Another, and now you will know what a sentimental fool I am: “The best thing that a man can do for his children is to love their mother.”
Imagine the world of every family had children who could whisper to each other, “Daddy LOVES Mommy, and Mommy LOVES Daddy.”
One of my favorite films is The Company of Wolves, the best werewolf movie I ever expect to see. There is a scene where a young girl on the brink of puberty is talking about men with her mother. Her mother tells her, “If there is a beast in Man, it meets its match in Woman.”
Genie, Samantha: ALL women are magical, powerful, strong and courageous.
For my other friend, strntz: you don’t have a naive bone in your body, and I think you know that. How do folks like you and pj persevere among the growing numbers of troglodytes online? That’s a rhetorical question, because answering it would trigger a fusillade of replies none of us wants to read. I’m just glad you’re both here👏🏻
First of all, nowadays when people think of middle east, you do not think about genies dress in alluring Arabian belly dancer outfits granting you wishes out of Arabian nights. Right now when people think about middle east, they think Islamic extremism, terrorist bombing, Isis and probably a picture of caves. It is actually crazy to think about how drastically people’s view of middle east changed over such short period of time.share
Secondly, the space race is no longer a thing. Back then people view astronauts as heroes, braving a new frontier for humanity. Major Nelson was such a kind hearted fellow with physique of a demi god and patriotism that puts Captain America to shame. Nowadays, there are people denying moon landing, claim earth is flat and all that non-sense, showing just how obscured space program has become in the public consciousness of American people.
Finally, a woman dressed in revealing outfit granting a man’s every wish? Are you kidding me? This show would air one episode and be canceled because of how sexist it is.
Relax. It was entertainment.
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uh-huh. Exactly. This was precursor to Maude...who did not work outside home for paid money either.
Darren getting 'hysterical' was supposed to be the comedy of every episode. Meanwhile Samantha with the 'power' is calm, collected and very sophisticated. She knows what to do in order to save things.
Kinda wondering why she slept with him? Felt sorry for him. At least Sargent was hot even if he was gay.
But if a man criticized a woman for her looks and wondered what the man saw in her, it would be considered shallow, disrespectful, and sexist. You're doing the same thing.
(by the way, I think York was better-looking than Sergeant) I am really offended.
Double standards lol.
shareOf course it's double-standards, but only condoned when certain women use them. Then said women wonder why they have conflict with men, only to turn around and blame them.
shareConsider this scene: a man slaps a woman. People: wah wah physical abuse! A woman slaps a man. People: he must be cheating!
shareBut regardless of cheating or not, when a woman slaps a man, the man is supposed to take it on the chin and his pain is dismissed by people. Then, the same people criticize men for being insensitive. Women will criticize a man for being "insensitive" if he does not express emotion or react, then criticize him for being un-manly if he is sensitive.
Remember, I am speaking about girly-women who are in denial and feel special due to their gender, not the decent women who possess the self-respect and necessary perspective to treat their male peers equally. It's very disturbing.
True, neither gender can win.
shareSee how you are putting down some women (cause they are girly) over others? That’s sexism. It’s disturbing and disgusting. And feminists support getting rid of harmful narratives/stereotypes for men so that they don’t feel the need to “take a hit.” I also feel the need to mention how 83% of high frequency victims in domestic abuse are women. Women also make up the majority of victims in rape and sexual assault (90%). See the inequality? Men are almost always the perpetrators... that’s why women can’t even walk places alone without worrying about this reality- or did you already know that too? I know such a double standard...
shareWomen have conflicts with men who don’t know anything about women’s issues, history, discrimination, or statistics (sound familiar?). And then those men blame women as if it’s their fault they don’t know anything. But don’t worry, women definitely don’t spend their days wondering about why they have conflicts with men. Believe it or not, they have lives that don’t revolve around men...
shareIt’s sexist cause there’s a history of oppression for women including, for example, men only focusing on women’s looks. Can you say the same for men? Give me a time in history when men were oppressed (and ridiculed for their looks)... It’s not double standards “lol”- one gender has a history of discrimination and another doesn’t. One gender helps to discriminate against the other, while the other doesn’t. Do you know anything?
shareBoth this and Bewitched were sexist. Did you ever see episodes with the Blue Jin or whatever he was called? He was the boss genie who locked Jeannie in the bottle. The comparisons to pimp/prostitute cannot be more blatant.
Why was Darren so against the witchcraft? At least Tony was protecting Jeannie from being taken by NASA for research and exploited as a freak. But Darren knew the witches lived amongst mortals all the time and were very good at protecting their own. The idea of a woman submitting to the house rules of her husband was extremely sexist, even for the era when this show aired.
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You are being sexist towards men by making that comment, since feminism is supposedly based on the women's right to choose.
But in the minds of many women, sexism towards men does not exist, since these women use selective-reasoning. (a nice term for entitlement)
Yet, women expect (and exploit) men to adhere to their rules in just as many households, but that's overlooked. I'd say women are equally, if not more sexist, than most men. Try to be nice, even you were influenced by your childhood experiences.
Bewitched was sexist, the way Samantha was expected to give up her powers cause her husband just didn’t like them, the way he had the final decision about things “cause it’s his house,” the way he talked down to her and said whatever he said goes, how he just expected her to sit around all day and take care of their child, clean the house, and have food ready every meal he was home based off of his schedule, how he told her who she should and shouldn’t be around... it goes on and on. Then again, it was the 60s, a product of its time.
shareThere is no such thing as being sexist towards men- it doesn’t exist. For example, I can’t say I experience discrimination for my race as a white person, I can’t say I experience discrimination for my sexuality as a straight person- so you can’t say you experience discrimination for your gender (sexism) as a man. Men are not oppressed now nor ever, they’ve always had the most rights, in fact, societies are based around their rights and the exclusion of others (women, BIPOC, LGBTQ...). Feminism is fighting for equality, no discrimination, and full rights and representation, not just “choices.” But let’s all try to be nice here.
shareWhy was Darren so against the witchcraft? The idea of a woman submitting to the house rules of her husband was extremely sexist, even for the era when this show aired
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Why did Samantha marry a man who was so against witchcraft? The idea of a man being forced to submit to providing shelter and food for his wife in the stressful workplace is extremely sexist in any era.
That never made sense to me either. You agreed to the terms and knew it would mean curbing the concept of who you are as a person (witch).
Samantha didn't tell Darrin that she was a witch until their wedding night. I doubt very much that they had a conversation beforehand whether Darrin was for or against witchcraft.
shareSam didn't have very good timing then.
I'm not sure what your point is, but not telling Darrin until the wedding night sounds like a way to enhance the entire premise of the show since by the wedding night they were already in love--and there lies the conflict.
She could had divorced him anytime she wished, if she felt that oppressed. (Women did divorce their husbands then and got along just fine, in case somebody now brings up that she was financially dependent on him).
But she was financially dependent on him, she stayed home and took care of their child, all the chores, and all the meals... women were not able to work due to a lack of opportunities, lack of full educational benefits, shaming if they were a mother and not home with their child, a low probability of being hired, discrimination in the work place, and even if they did work they weren’t paid equal to men for the same amount of work (still aren’t fully in the US) so they still couldn’t necessarily support themselves and a child. Being divorced and being a single mother was also shunned in the 60s. Stop making complicated matters so simple like “oh well she could have gotten divorced.”
shareAll of that would be true for a human woman in the same situation. But, as the example is about Samantha's life with Darrin, none of it applies. She's a witch! The magical people like her (witches, warlocks, maybe also the leprechauns and fairies which sometimes showed up in the series) don't live on Earth, other than to visit it. They live in the Cosmic Continuum, and last I checked, there was no such place or realm on the surface of this planet.
As such, none of your example applies. We don't know what divorce rules their kind has, but if you've ever watched (and paid attention) to the 'reality' put forth, Endora and Maurice are Samantha's parents, yet don't live together anymore. Are they divorced? We don't know. But they are separated. Samantha could have just left Darrin and no human law of society would have any hold over her.
To be fair though, someone like yourself would find everything and anything sexist.
shareJeannie wasn't just a woman she was a genie.And genies whether they be men or women are suppose to obey whoever lets them out of the lamp.So in the context of the shows premise her behavior isn't sexist at all.
sharebut the whole premise was that she called him master--Sam never called darrin husband they called each other by their names
Sam also did not do a lot of giggling jumping up and down squealing. Yes both women are 'old' but Jeannie acts like little girl. Samantha at least comes across like an adult. She seems interesting to hang out with.
Jeannie seems like it would be more written for guys....the whole half naked young blond being owned by an astronaut fantasy. Bewitched seems like it's written for women/girls---who even if stuck @ home being housewife, find way to rebel w your relatives
Yeah. There were male genies as well. I don't think that aspect of the show was sexist.
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