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Way Too Much Bruce Dern and James Whitmore.......


Now before any Bruce Dern or James Whitmore fans get upset (lol), I have nothing personal against either actor. In fact, I've seen both in a lot of other shows / movies. What I didn't like - in relation to "The Big Valley" appearances, though, is that the two of them (and a couple other actors as well) would frequently guest star, hardly change their physical appearance, and presumably play different characters. Did the producers of the show not think the viewers would notice? I understand that in those days guest actors were under contract to be used over and over again, but it's so noticeable that it's a bit distracting. They could have, at the very least, done something to make these frequent guest stars LOOK different in different episodes. It's just too ridiculous to see the same actor playing the role of a Barkley family friend in one episode, and then suddenly become their worst enemy in another ............

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Don't forget Richard Anderson. I believe he had the same number of appearances as Dern, always as different characters. He later ended up a regular on the Six Million Dollar Man.

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Yes and the actor who played Ward in fallen hawk palyed in many episodes.

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Yes, how could I forget about Oscar Goldman aka Richard? Since I didn't discover "The Big Valley" till quite recently it's interesting for me to now watch "The Six Million Dollar Man" and see the two of them acting together. I don't know how well they knew one another during "The Big Valley" days, but they sure do come across as the best of friends in "The Six Million Dollar Man."

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I really like The Big Valley and a fan of Whitmore & Dern, however I agree with your statement !
Also lets not forget one of my favorite character actors James Gregory,
(was great in Barney Miller) played the same type of role too much on The Big Valley. Of course this is just my humble opinion.

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I agree. Oh, and I just thought of another one - i.e. the actor who played Doc Baker on "Little House...." was also a regular guest.

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Peter Haskell and Royal Dano appeared a lot, too. I think most shows back then used the same character actors over and over. Except for Bonanza - I have never noticed the same actor in different episodes.

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Simon Oakland was in a couple of Bonanzas... agree though lots of Bruce Dern, James Whitmore and James Gregory! Great old westerns... loving them on MeTv!

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I agree with all of you on seeing a bit too much of James Whitmore & Bruce Dern on The Big Valley episodes.Great actors both of them!But I understand what you are saying,of their different characters portrayed being basically the same each time.You are thinking of Kevin Hagen as Doc Baker from "Little House..."Yes he was on 3 or more episodes.And Karl Swenson (also later on "Little House...").And Bert Freed was on 3 or 4 different episodes as well,just on last Friday night's actually,and basically playing the same type character.It was a very good series all in all.I enjoyed watching it when I was younger,and even more so now that I'm older.Also Albert Salmi on a few episodes,and David Sheiner on quite a few.Great actors all of them!

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L.Q. Jones was on more episodes and on more westerns than any "that guy" actor. On Big Valley he played the guy who kept Victoria and Audra in the attic in The Court Martial, but he turned up in every western (and some non westerns) on TV for years, and he's still living, I think. I loved him. Whenever he's on, I'm there.

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Yes he was a good actor

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Kevin Hagen, wasn't it? He worked A LOT on a lot of shows, he could do both good guys and bad guys. Good looking man even with that broken nose.

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This is much more noticeable in syndication, where for example, there are 2 Big Valley programs on each night on a local religious channel here in Texas. Of course, in its original iteration, you might see an actor once a year. I had forgotten what a good show this western was. Coincidentally, Bruce Dern was on tonight, and Richard Anderson was on the other show, and Whitmore was on yesterday. I have always like Whitmore as a bad guy. One of my favorite Twilight Zones has him playing a not so benevolent leader of a stranded Martian colony.

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I agree that they're both terrific character actors, IMO better at playing bad guys than good guys. Now with MeTV which plays great TV westerns like TBV, Bonanza, Gunsmoke, Wild Wild West, and The Rifleman (my personal favorite, especially of the 30-minute shows), you'll see many repeat appearances by other great character actors like John Anderson, John Carradine, Royal Dano, Bradford Dillman, Albert Salmi, Chris Alcaide. It's great to catch them on other shows -- Johnny Crawford, who played Mark McCain on The Rifleman, playing a deputy on TBV, or Paul Fix, who was Marshal Torrence on TR playing a judge on Bonanza, or Bill Quinn the bartender ... but seldom the other way around, only before their big breaks ... seeing Michael Landon and Dan Blocker (with a laughable mustache) on The Rifleman.

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There was a "High Chaparral" marathon this past Saturday on INSP. Another great western. Had a mad crush on Manolito. I believe this Saturday there will be another HC marathon.

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The marathon this coming weekend will be "The Virginian". Then both of them, "The Virginian" and "The High Chaparral" will join "The Big Valley" in the regular lineup. In my opinion three of the best westerns ever.

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gld someone mentione Rifleman,a show loaded down on most any episode wih some great actors,epecially the villains.SOME OF MY PERSONAL FAVORITES WHO'LL SHOW UP MOSTANY TIME BEING LEE VAN CLEEF,ADAM WILLIAMS, AND THE ALWAYS nasty and verminous Rex Holman(playing a sleazy bounty hunter on gunsmoke the other day,come to dodge to kill morgan woodward.speaking of whom never did a bad episod eof gunsmoke IMHO.GOT TO MEET MR. woodwrd yers ago at a westrnfilm festival,he was an extremely nice man.

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Another actor who was used at least 3 times was Richard Anderson. He was in the episode where Audra had appendicitis on the train, when Audra went missing in the hotel, and one other that escapes me at the moment.

Just couldn't stand the character of Howdy Doody or whoever that James Whitmore played.

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I know they are good actors but Bruce dern and Jame Whitmore creep me out

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THE RIFLEMAN used a lot of the same actors over and over as well (JOHN ANDERSON, JOHN MILFORD, PETER WHITNEY, etc) In fact, going as recently forward as QUINCY in the late 70's/early 80's, that show, too, used a lot of the same guest actors over and over (JOHN ANDERSON, again! MICHAEL CONSTANTINE, CHARLES AIDMAN, etc) I agree that maybe BV could've used Dern, Whitmore, or RICHARD ANDERSON a time or two less, but I never considered it distracting! As long as the script clearly dictates it's a different character---even if it's the same actor playing him---I could always convincingly tell myself "Hey! That guy looks just like the psycho killer from last season", and leave it at that! BTW, classic LAW & ORDER fans should be similarly freaked out, as the late, longtime star JERRY ORBACH first appeared on "L & O" in an unrelated guest role as an attorney the year before he signed on for his memorable regular gig as "Lennie Briscoe"!

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Lots of shows "re-used" actors - almost like an acting ensemble. George Petrie was in many episodes of "The Honeymoonersplaying different characters - not to mention Harv Smithfield on "Dallas". "Barney Miller" was another show that rotated an ensemble of actors as different characters.

I kind of think it lends a certain charm to "The Big Valley". It also makes some sense because the producers would lean on actors who had some ability to look like they belonged in the west in the 1870s - especially if they had any kind of skills with a horse.

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Never had a problem seeing Dern or Whitmore in different roles on ''Big Valley''. Great actors, both of them. And the show was better for their presence- as well as artists like Julie Harris and Colleen Dewhurst who added so much to their ''guest'' turns. Anyway, entertainment requires a certain latitude when it comes to suspending disbelief. Like Ms. Stanwyck,the show was lucky to have them. And that goes for James Gregory, as well.

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If you were watching MeTV yesterday, you were treated to a two-hour James Whitmore marathon on The Big Valley (villain) followed by Gunsmoke (hero).

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If I didn't have all four seasons on DVD, I would have been watching, too. Especially fine is the episode Whitmore did wit the beautiful, talented (and very much missed) Susan Strasberg.

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Brynn Thayer played a sexy suspect in Matlock and used her womanly charms on him, only to later place his daughter later in the series.

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