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Why Tippy Walker retire from acting?


If somebody knows the answer please tell me.

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Maybe she was tired of taking crappy parts like in Jennifer on My Mind(1971).


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She mentioned in an interview that she couldn't relate to the roles she was offered or ended up playing. She now owns an art studio back east.

Our loss. Even the acerbic film critic John Simon praised her performance in Orient.

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I know Elizabeth very well (even lived with here for awhile a few years back). She should have stuck to acting...her life now is not so great. She is an amazing and wonderful woman. I wish that she had lived up to her full potential.

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I kind of backed out of the professional scene. Didn't really mean to, but it was just too rough for me, too nasty. And whoever wrote that about Jennifer on My Mind was very insightful, that thing was hell to do. I cried for hours after excepting it. I had refused it, then my agent, Stefaney(sorry can't remember how to spell her name) Phillips, gave my home number to the director, Noel Black, who when I told him why I didn't want to do it, ie. I didn't like the script and the salary was too low, he offered to change the script and raise his offer. So I sat in a hotelroom with he and Eric Segal for three days going over the things I didn't like and suggesting a more realistic point of view. Much was changed, but Eric did the writing and he just doesn't have the sensitivity or insight to write about someone so wounded(my opinion, sorry Eric), so it was just the same superficial dialogue only slanted differently; but after we had spent all the time and effort, and as their starting date crept ever closer, I felt obligated to do it. After accepting it I went to a friend's house and cried and cried. My instincts were right, worst luck, Noel was just so tough to work with, never gave me anything really nurishing to go on. His directions were always technical, never substantive. He's a sweet guy but not the director I needed for that. It was a miserable experience. My Mom had a nice time though in Venice in the Spring.


In 1970, the year of Jennifer and The Jesus Trip, some huge personal things happened in my life. My Grandmother died. She was such the great woman, and was the world to my mother, it became clear, and so my mom didn't live long after that, which was the mortal blow to my dad, the domino thing. And the same year my grandmother died, a friend of mine who was another of the big lights in my life fell off a mountain and was killed. Things became even more deeply difficult. So putting up with all the enormous challenges of the movie industry couldn't happen. I couldn't get at all interested about the crap, excuse me, roles they wanted me to do. I changed agencies from CMA to William Morris around 72? to be with David Shaw the son of the founder of the agency, whose name escapes at the moment. David was based in LA and his counterpart in New York, nearest Greenwich,CT, my home base, was going through a divorce and just couldn't get interested in me enough to handle all the intense changes I was going through. William Morris finally dropped me in '74, David Shaw had left the previous year, and the rest is history.

Honestly, you need a team in that world and I never had that. My family has always been a huge problem for me, lots of contention and drama and jealousy. And I made many huge mistakes in my choices of collaborators. David Geffen wanted to be my agent at one point, and I was persuaded to turn him down; Art Linson(producer of The Untouchables) was my manager in '68, and I let him go at the behest of my CMA agent, Joe "Starsky and Hutch" Narr, and he never forgave me. I should have stayed with my first agents through whom I got the part in The World of Henry Orient, they were fabulous, but I let my mom blow them off over their request for a percent of my salary, not so outrageous, to go with CMA which was just a huge blundering ambitious bunch of money people, so not the group I could deal with with any trust. They got me work but with no concept of who I was or what I could do with any real comfort. For Instance the role I had on DR. Kildaire was hell. She was spurned by him. It was the first work I did after Henry Orient, I was so new and untried. I loved Dr. Kildaire, watched it for years, to play someone he had to tell off was so hideous for me, I could hardly do it. They almost fired me. I took everything so to heart. Murmerings of, how unprofessional, how absurd I was were traveling everywhere. But isn't that the very core of acting, to take everything to heart??? It was all a huge mess from there on. Peyton Place too was so tough for me to do, another very unhappy girl, and that year my older brother was in Viet Nam, so I had to do battle on the set week after week while keeping my subconscious directed fully to protect him(not the only one, I know), which I wasn't aware of til he got back and I quietly passed out in a chair at a friend's house.

There is also the tale of my relationship with George Roy Hill following me which I never realized until much later. We fell in love during the filming of the World of Henry Orient and remained so through most of my senior year in high school[actually, the story goes, he had lunch with me every day starting during the rehearsal period to win my trust and calm me down and gradually gradully we developed a strong bond. he was one of the only adults that sanctioned my personhood ever, my family was so competitive and I was the daughter. We stared filming in June, I got more and more used to the camera as time went by, never comfortable, never really confident, but had begun to be able to think abit after the terrifying ACTION. So, it was August, I was in his office, a basement cement block room reaking of lysol, the whole place reaked of lysol except the soundstages which reaked of aerosol--movie making wasn't the healthiest environment, having the framiliar lunch, suddenly he jumped up, I can't remember what we were talking about whether there was some sort of creciendo or if it was apropos of nothing, and came over to me saying he was going to teach me how to french kiss, and started to kiss me in this most passionate way-agressive-serious sloppy way. I know I had a second to react, a world of thought rushed through my mind, a jam of screams and curiosity, resistance, fear. How could I refuse him? the director, he had become the only person in the world I depended on for validation, he made my performance in the film possible, how could I turn him away? Risk the loss of his support, admiration? I was 16, and not the worldly 16 that is so often depicted now or then. I had never had a boyfriend, was so shy I could hardly speak to the soft spoken ladies in the library. I was sophisticated in asthetic ways only, I could write and draw, I knew what great music was, I could stand up when I needed to to defend another's life, but my own was always sacrificed. It happened, he Kissed me, and that line was crossed. To this day I wish he hadn't or that I had been able to be firm in a self protective way, but I didn't know how. On the other hand, these things happen at some point. That it was him for me was so intensely romantic and profound. I loved him, he loved me, I believe. It had no future. There was no marriage there. I would never want to ruin his family. The secrecy nearly killed me, and the controversy. No turning back, very tough to go forward. Mr. Hill was such the combination of tough strict upperclass values-Yale, the opera. tweed jackets, wellborn manners- and giddy childish rebellion- go for it in your face audacious rebellion( and I believe it was this dichotomy that killed him). It was 1963, those terrible perverse clamps of puritan and victorian sensibilties were lifting. It happened. It Happened. It happened. I have a really hard time accepting alot of my life, whine and run away and freak out, but I shouldn't. It happened and we didn't let it destroy anything or one else, maybe alittle ourselves. That too is another aside. He came up to see me at school, I can't remember if it was Spring of junior year or Fall of senior. We were hanging out in between two sections of the back of the big school building at Dobbs, asphalt, big high brick building walls. I was treading a raised stretch of blacktop, that little low devider for marking parking spaces, and he was watching me in his long dark blue soft camel hair coat. I did that kind of thing alot, maybe as a metaphor for higher ground and structure. Then I, without any forethought, or at least at that moment, turned to him and said, "We shouldn't be doing this." He just looked at me, nodded almost imperceptively, and we parted without much distress, maybe not even immediately. He wrote me one letter blaming my mother. It was me, but I never told him that, actually I could never figure out where it came outof. Couldn't shoulder the blame myself, so left it off. We always had the remains of the love we felt for each other, always.] It was very innocent, very real, very profound and very impossible. I was a very young sixteen and he was forty and married to a great woman with 4 brilliant kids, so it had no future but was one of those romantic hybreds, a poetic anomally, beautiful and doomed. There wasn't really much in the way of a physical relationship as I wasn't so into that, being so immature. He cautioned me not to tell anyone which I didn't except for my school friends. He, however, I discovered later, told many of his Hollywood friends. Many people in the industry knew. Johnny Carson wouldn't let me on his show- though that may have been because he didn't like to get caught with the shy types, especially kids; but I thought it was because of the gossip. It was sad. I thought we were very discrete. I was at school, he was in New York, how could we see each other? We spoke on the phone alot, he wrote me long fabulous eloquent letters. Sometimes we saw each other when I could get away during vacations or took trips to NYC to museums with my classmates and such. It feels wrong to be writing about it even now. He took me to the the Gugenheim, to my first Charlie Chaplin movies, took me to see Elvira Madigan, after which I couldn't speak for a good 15 minutes, he watched anxiously. He was so smart and funny and interested in me, for the first time in my life an adult wanted to know what I thought about things, watched me for reactions. I guess everyone's first love feels like that, but Mr. Hill was such the accomplished man. My family was cultured, too, so it wasn't as though he was so alien, but he was so intense and experienced in a worldly way, had been through the war and done so much in theater, tv and movies, which he would share with me(especailly during our first lunches). Had lived in Dublin with the prototype of The Gingerman, Gaynor Crist, wrote to me about him when the book came out, funny I never read it. Finally though, it didn't feel right, couldn't go on, so we let it die...there is more to it than that. So he too became unapproachable and many of his cohorts held me in disrepute, as did many others who just knew the barest glimpses of our relationship. Liza Minelli, I remember, glaring at me from a cross a diningroom, glared at me for years, which I attribute to that piece of gossip, though not sure what she was working on. It wasn't taudry in reality but has become I think one of the little nasty tidbits of the "insiders". It was one of the huge events of my life. And because of the enormous secrecy, having to keep it from my parents, the effect it had on me as a person, my connection to the world was torn apart and I couldn't tell any adult why I was so changed, so rocked, so disaffected suddenly. It was very destabilizing. And at the very beginning of my "career".

I was young, alone, sensitive and inexperienced, add insecure and you have a good recipe for disaster. Another wrenching relationship-I became involved with Dave Milch in 1965, we broke up in 66, then he came back and lived with me during Peyton Place years, driving me crazy(or even crazier) in his wild period, I had to let him go and he continues to be upset at me for that, though he will send me cash sometimes when I'm desperate(thank you, Dave). ANYway, the whole picture didn't bode well. I'm lucky to have survived. That I didn't stay with it, well, I tried, but it just was too much for me. The other angle is that in acting, especially film acting, you're told what to say, do, wear, how to look, your surroundings are chosen for you, after a while it got to me, one needs to be enormously secure for that, and I just didn't have that kind of personal balast. Even if I had been asked to portray people I truly respected, there was this nagging poison going on about not truly being that person I couldn't get over. I wanted to be the person protrayed....so drifted gradually away.

So, I went back to writing and painting, made some 8mm films. I do some performing here in New Haven. Read my poetry and stories. Sing and perform in a "circus" here twice a year-- make up a mystical over-the-top clown act with music, get thumping applause sometimes, it's a gas. I'm into as much of the activism scene as possible, want the political-medical-environmental-etc-etc-etc scenes to get real, do alot for the homeless, or try to, here. Feed the wild cats and as many other wild people I can...So I'm not doing nothing. In fact, I consider my writing and painting and other recent artistic and humanitarian-activist acomplishments as important as any of my professional acting credits. I should firmly add that I have always been intensely spiritual, am very much guided by that, very deeply reverent and pray alot. Do a sweat lodge here every few weeks. Consider Grandfather Wallace Black Elk one of my guides and teachers. Have had Native American spirit guides for years. Have an audible spirit voice, which if I would only heed, would guide me out of perilous situations, but still can't get over my unworthiness, the main problem for us all, I believe, so woops. It all began with a vision of Jesus when I was just three, which made church always too rough for me. Decided when I heard for the first time way back then, maybe just after the vision, possibly just before, that people could hear and see spiritually that that was what I wanted to be like.[News flash- yesterday(4/17) I got word from my guide that art is where I should put my energies..acting is one of those, so..., now I feel more confident and settled and not going to try to go fully into shamanism, though I know my spiritual openess is growing] I also did Zen formally for almost three years in the early ninties, til the flow threw me out. Zen Master Dae Soen Sunim is one of my great protectors and teachers and guides. So you can see that the movie thing was quite the stretch. But I love movies, see them all the time with my movie critic friend Bob Paglia(so can go for free), admire those who can get through the preassures surrounding it all to accomplish some amazing, even miraculous things. Could go on and on but feel this is enough for now, eh? Probably more than you ever wanted to know.....By the way the gallery closed in 2002, loved doing it, the landlord wasn't into it.

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The World of Henry Orient remains one of my all-time favorite films. I was at an impressionable age when I saw it and developed a crush on Tippy Walker that lasted for years. It saddens me to know that her career was so brief and her life has been so difficult. Life has been much easier for Merrie Spaeth who wholeheartedly embraced the Dark Side. This is not a friendly world for spiritually-oriented people. Having seen Tippy-Elizabeth's guest appearance on the Jack Paar Show and read her mother's in-depth interview in Good Housekeeping it does not surprize me that she was unable to compromise her principles to promote her career.

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Don't worry fischerj-l, I'm doing better than most, regardless of the lack of $ or status( or not in the worldly sense, though I do enjoy something of a local celebrity). My life is very rewarding. I'm learning the ways of shamanism. And it is this way and its goals I believe that are the true goals of the rich should they but plum their truest selves. Everybody's lives have their ups and downs, at least mine is based on something real or has a sourse for real solutions.

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Tippy! You were great--so adorable and vibrant in '...Henry Orient.' Sometimes I watch that movie just to look at the New York I knew as a kid, and it's always going to be a favorite. In terms of scene stealing, you were neck and neck with the great Peter Sellers in that one, and it's one of my favorite child performances in film. Stay healthy, and thanks for sharing your story.

-MC

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A friend of mine recently turned me on to "Henry Orient" and I must say I enjoyed the film. He actually confessed to me he had a crush on Tippy that survives til this day. He wanted to chat to you, but is not internet savvy. Hes 52 by the way and recalls a fond memory of seeing that film in NY when it opened, w/ his parents. The scenes of the city as a backdrop to schoolgirl shenanigans were especially charming to him. He would really like to say a few words to you, if possible.
I myself am 34, and from a different generation, but found the movie, playful, sincere and charming. I would like to hear more about that Jesus vision you had as a child by the way, and the audible spirit voice...compelling. Thank you sincerely.

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whitedogandharriet;

Thanks for taking the time (and pains) to respond to this question. I too, was very curious to know the answer.

Although I was about 38 years late in seeing The World of Henry Orient, I now consider it my personal favorite. It is so sweet...and you were, of course, the key to the treasure.

Was also glad to read of your desire to do good and help others despite difficult circumstances. May God bless.

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My family are in Connecticut and I would have loved to have dropped by. I read your post with great interest and wish you every happiness and success in the future. You deserve it.

I only look like a fan of Al Pacino.

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thanks for the encouragement, I really apreciate it.

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I grew up an imaginative child in New York City in the 1960s and so of course this film has always meant a lot to me.

I was in Central Park last Sunday (seeing the Gates), and I am not often in that park when there is a lot of snow around. It immediately brought to mind the sequence of you walking alone though the snowscape in Central Park.

Those of us who love the film will always feel very connected to you. I too wish you the best!

I have made enough faces.

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thanks alot. It means alot to me.

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Thank you all, your encouragement helps, just when I am needing it.

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When I typed my brief reply, I suppose that I didn't put much thought into it. Tippy is an amazing person. She is thoughtful and kind and enlightened to boot! She has a huge heart and wants to help all creatures. She is admired because of it.
When I said that she should have stuck to acting, I truely meant that. She took on a role at 16 that I am sure the actressess' of today would not have been able to give half of what she gave. So, Tippy, how about a comeback??? We all know that you can do it!!

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This may be the week I do the audition tape to send to the city....so, maybe maybe maybe.

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Somewhere you said you were ready to emerge. OK, so emerge already! We all loved you in Henry Orient (everything else you did is impossible to find), so we'd love to see you make another movie. There must be something out there in films you would do. I know you'd knock 'em dead.

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Not sure. I'm 58 now and no surgery for this girl, uh uuh. So I'd probably get some tiny role playing somebody's grandmother or wierd aunt. Actually I'm writing something I'd like to play, a poet activist living on her disappeared husbands farm with some great characters, I might get it together before I'm too old to play her. I'm also very particular about what I say and do, after all these years I just can't do anything just to act....for money.

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As a teenage boy in 64' I thought you the personification of spirit and beauty in a girl. Your talents have certainly broadended out. "Teachers and Guides"? Your bio reveals a person full of energy and spirit. You must be scared of your own strengths and abilities. Dump your "baggage" and chose your own course.

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Right on, I'm doing my best. Patience, for us both, there's some time left.

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When have I not chosen my own course? But thanks for the encouragement.

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Whitedogandharriet:

I am currently reading an entertaining book entitled, "I'm a Believer" by Micky Dolenz (of the "Monkees" fame, he also starred in a 1950's TV show called "The Circus Boy"). He writes (edited):

"The tragic stories of burned out...ex-child stars are numerous. I've thought about this a lot over the years, and I'm sure that it's the decline and fall of child stars that causes the greatest damage, not the success. Success is fairly easy to handle, for anybody. You may get an inflated ego and turn into an *beep* but that's not nearly as bad as the rejection you experience once you have been on top and suddenly find yourself on the bottom. Let's face it, that's not easy for an adult, much less a child...a child has little to draw from. One day you're the flavor of the month and the next day you can't get a bit part on Gunsmoke. And you don't know why...don't they like me anymore?"

He also describes other negative aspects of being a "child star":

"Many times the parents actually become part of the problem rather than the solution. They get as infatuated with the lifestyle of their rich and famous kid as everyone else...I soon became very bored with school in general and never got my enthusiasm back. It was also kind of tough to get too excited about the provincial activities. After flying around the world, staying at the Waldorf, and being the object of affection of thousands of adoring fans, it was difficult to get very excited about the local football game. I regret this. I feel I missed a part of my life that I can never regain. It is during these school years that one learns social skills and develops his or her mechanisms for creating and dealing with relationships. I missed out on a lot of this."

He goes on, describing his parents TURNING DOWN a role in another TV series as one of the BEST decisions they ever made.

Although you were a teenager at the time, you were still in high school when you became a celebrity. Do you have any thoughts or comments you would care to share or add regarding being thrust into the limelight of a public life at an early age (positive or negative)?? Surely, life must be VERY different for such people. Personally, I always felt very happy/content to just enjoy it all (movies/TV/music/fame, etc.) from a distance, rather than being personally involved "in all that madness" as Dolenz describes.

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Of course it's incredibly jarring. A huge addition to your life. And subtraction. But finally it's your life. Somebody has to do it, play those roles. Mickey Dolenz was much more famous than I was and in a very different way, much more mainstream and much more adulation, plus it sounds like his family were more normal than mine, whatever that means.

Our culture is also into sameness abit too much I think, not much into the stretch to reach those who have gone outside for whatever reason. That some have tried for outer regions shouldn't be so tough or regretable. Everybody has things they wish they didn't have to deal with in their lives, negative karma I guess, to say that that shouldn't have happened or reject part of one's experience just is counter productive. Not that I don't, oh I would love to have a seamless life, no problems or blemishes, but where's the value in that? I wish my parents had been more supportive, that my brothers could appreciate me now, but they are who they are or were, and that has to be ok somehow. There are a million stories in the naked city, mine is unique to me, Mickey's is unique to him. The trick is to love them all, that's where I'm heading with all my heart. HHhh hh hh hh

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whitedogand harriet:

Thanks so much for taking the time to respond - always appreciate what you have to say - being so honest, open, and upfront about things.

For some reason I have always remembered something a professor once said regarding love (unfortunately so FEW things actually seem to stick in my mind). He said that love is "choosing the highest possible good." Which means that Love is not primarily an emotion, but rather a choice to do what is TRULY BEST for another...or even oneself.

"Now abide faith, hope, and love; but the greatest of these is love." - You are certainly heading in the right direction here!

Keep striving toward the great goals of Self-Discipline & Love.

Wishing you well! Please keep writing...

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Since you need the approval of your "guides" and "teachers"

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You're right I am a scared little weeny, but do alot of scarey things as well, risk alot for my vision, live outside of the mainstream so far I get screamed at in Green Party meetings, all be it at Charlie Pilsbury's house. Notice you wanted to strike me down before for, I don't know, not being freed up enough, not getting out from under the load of crap I've been through. So, you're right, I wish I was more flatout alive. Trust me I'm working on it. How freed up are you?

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I'm curious, do you believe I should respond more reverently to you?

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Absolutely not! My apologies for giving such an impression.

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No, rslawta, I was refering to HAL6400. No you have always been very encouraging and supportive. HAL6400 seems to want to yank my chain, and I'm so smooth at complying. Hhhhhhh bark bark bark retch sigh hh will recover some day from god knows what, the inquisition puritan america pirate raids, when will all that violence stop reverberating down the centuries??? When will I be able to here the love? It's driving me crazy right now, am heading for the woods or my house for some quiet.

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THANKS so much for your reply. I felt very badly that I may have offended you with something I had written.

I DID study for the ministry and must continually be careful to check my desire to be of "help" to others (especially when what is offered is NOT helpful OR wanted). God (and everyone who knows me) is very much aware that I am not in a position to ever consider myself "holier than thou."

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right, we are all equally holy. I have a hard time too with being "helpful". But you never know the odd reply can at first be jarring then good for orienting. It's all good. Though naturally I prefer the compassionate-enlightened kind of approach, but must learn to deal better with the other. Anyway didn't Buddha say he was *beep* on a stick?

I'm reading Jane Fonda's book and the cumulative effect is overwhelming. All her accomplishments and then to go through fits of agonizing insecurity, it's funny and is sort of making me crazy. Reading her description of Ted Turner's courtship of her after her amazing partnership with Tom Hayden, after Vadim, is just incredible. Ted Turner was a hero of my dad's, quite the sailor, what a huge persona, and that he went for her was inspired. Just called her up the moment he heard she was available and relentlessly wooed the socks off her. I'm feeling like the sad wannabe, though I know that would be a lie. There are more ways than building empires to heal the world, but her story is very grand. And not over yet. The part about her mother is very sad, such a beautiful woman caught in the web of a desperately unhappy marriage after so much disappointment and abuse, such can be the strangle hold of social and karmic convolutions and set ups and expectations. And ah the redoubtable Henry. But such the adventure.

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I love biographies. Actually, I would generally prefer watching (or reading) a documentary (biography) rather than a movie - they are truer to reality, more insightful, and in most cases more entertaining. One can learn a lot in just discovering what others have encountered and how they have worked through things. Though still in process, yours would be interesting I am sure.

On Turner Classic Movies the host recently mentioned Jane Fonda's difficulty in doing "On Golden Pond" with her father. Evidently there was quite a rift between her and her dad. Kathryn Hepburn had to keep telling her, "You can do it."

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"Reverent" scares the hell out of me. Thanks for not responding to me in such a way. I was just someone on a similiar path as you but with the perspective of someone far away. Wish you the best.

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yeah it's sad how those words can be frightening, but when the time comes they are all we have, except the things-actualities they want to describe. When they are appropriate they don't feel so bad, at least in theory; I mean there's an "oh yeah that's what this word means" aspect to them at times. Sorry if I was harsh, I'm not that strong alot.

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"White dog and harriet", thank you very much for updating us on a question that has plagued me for about 30 years. (At age 42, I admit I'm slightly younger than the average member of the Henry Orient/Tippy Walker bandwagon.) Your story was fascinating to me, and your non-self-pitying attitude refreshing. I'm not sure what type of career you would have had as an adult actress, but I believe your work in Henry Orient is the most memorable adolescent performance that I've ever seen in a movie. It was truly a surprise and an honor to hear from you.

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Oh I clean up my act alot when I reply to the messages here. Trust me I complain alot. Right now I'm going through mad prednizone withdrawal and am likely to freak out at any moment, it's sad. I have to take it for athsma, got into trouble a few weeks ago and now am paying for it. No amount of preparation helps, you're on your ass for however long it takes to climb out of the ooze. I pray it will be short this time...and noone can take it, noone is strong enough in my circle to jolly me along, so I have to watch myself well til I can hold my head up without feeling like I have a two ton weight stuck in my aura, or just very very vulnerable, and that is exremely tough in this crazy world.

To be honest I feel I have come out of alot of really difficult circumstances, bourn alot of crazy experiences, but am still not anywhere near where I would like to be, bear alot of criticism from neighbors, co-citizens, co-committee members, friends, family. I want to scream at them-- what the hell do you think you're doing, how do you think I can deal with this kind of pressure?!?, but I know they will just freak out at me. I do scream alittle and for that I am called all sorts of terrible things, crazy is definitely one of them.

This world we have made is simply impossible. If you want to be any good at anything you just can't be conventional, it's just not at all possible. Or be spiritual? Forget it, no, touched by God and your automatically different. But that shouldn't be a problem really because it's where the fruit is. I am just now learning to appreciate my experience. That it may be rough gives me a chance to excercise the values I say I want in others....not that I'm so great at it. Selfcontrol is an art, one I want desperately to master. Love is something I am learning about, love to learn about. The ground beneath our feet is truly sacred, to realise that as a constant, that is a goal that makes it worth it all. I don't regret anything in my life, all roads lead to Rome, ie. heaven.

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Thank you for the email Elizabeth telling me where I could read this..

'The World of Henry Orient' will always be a favorite of mine..I've always loved it...

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Tippy, if you are indeed the person replying to these messages, I just want you to know that from the moment I read about "The World of Henry Orient" in Time Magazine in the spring of 1964 until today, I have been a fan. I was 12 years old at the time and you sounded like the kind of person I wanted to be. (your hair was long and straight and mine was frizzy and dowdy, for one thing!). Plus, we both liked the same Beatle.

You sounded like a young woman with a sense of yourself and a sense of humor. Do you remember the part about the bottles you saved for your father?

Your performance was truly amazing. I have seen the movie many, many times and always come away with a sense of amazement at your performance.

May all be well with you.

Ginger

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I realize now that everything in the "Time" story may have been hype. I guess it's kind of weird that I remember that stuff. But I was 12 years old, going through a rough time, and the girls in the movie, especially Tippy/Val seemed really cool.

Anyway, Elizabeth, we've never met, but you influenced my life just the same.

Thank you.

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Wonder what the deleted post said. Which article was that? There wasn't much they congered out of thin air. The only truly hyped article I knew about was something the pr people at Twentieth set up where I was said to be the girlfriend of a guy I hardly knew, set up a photo shoot for us then set up the article, I was shocked. My own boyfriend was Dave Milch at the time, should have been good enough.

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Fans are great!! I should add I'm a fan of lots of people. Funny I have often wished for frizzy hair, my straight stuff can be so annoyingly straight! I still like and mourn that Beatle, read Albert Goldman's biography last winter, what a nightmare, if you want to have your mind blown go ahead and read it, otherwise let the man die-rest in peace, oi. But I also like all of them just so much, believe they played a huge role in the sixties awakening.

Please enlighten me about the bottles, I'm drawing a blank, hhh.

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The article, which I read after school on a spring day, said that you saved Walker Gordon milk bottles to give to your father (whose name must have been Gordon).

I've got that straight hair now, but back then, my hair never did what I wanted it to do.

I think the deleted post was mine. I thought it sounded stupid. Can't recall what it was, maybe I was gushing. LOL.

The Beatles, the whole British thing, the movie, all hit at a time I needed diversion, not just from events in the world, but from events close to home. My father had just lost his business in a terrible fire. I needed other things to focus on.

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The Beatles, the whole British thing, the movie, all hit at a time I needed diversion, not just from events in the world, but from events close to home. My father had just lost his business in a terrible fire. I needed other things to focus on.

The pre-Vietnam 60s, to which the Beatles and Henry Orient contributed so strongly, were a springboard for an optimism that carried through the turmoil that followed, but, as Elizabeth noted earlier, was tragically premature and was ultimately trampled. I think the reason why so many of us still have such vibrant memories of Henry Orient is because Elizabeth totally nailed the Val character as the prototype of the type of person we hoped to be able to become--strong yet compassionate, creative, tolerant (but not weak!), and knowing that the difference between right and wrong isn't quite so black and white as people (still!!) keep trying to make it seem. Remember that the book is all about the tragedy of Val turning her back on her specialness; the film gives us a rosier picture, and it's how Elizabeth embodied that more optimistic portrayal of Val that continues to resonate with us, even 40+ years on.

I don't think there's any question that George Roy Hill's single most brilliant piece of casting was right here--a more perfect fit between actor and character might be very hard to find. It's not surprising to me that, after having seen what a fabulous stroke of intuition he'd had in sensing Elizabeth's potential, he'd be unable to resist falling in love with her, even if it was a relationship w/o a future. Ahhh--Pygmalion, right? Thanks to Elizabeth for so bravely sharing with us those poignant memories. (Oh, and thanks for coming back, GingerDee, and giving us all of these extra details--I hope that things got better back then, somehow??)

Don Malcolm

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yes it was Gordon, and-but think we had to give those walker-gordon bottles back to the company...but I remember well those glass bottles with dad's name embossed on them backwards. And you couldn't sound stupider than me....why I don't respond sometimes, just no (good)juice. Wish I could let it all hang out. So very sorry about your dad's business, the fire sounds horrifying.

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I often think these days that Henry Orient has provided me with some needed psychic boosts from those who liked the film.

It might be interesting to know the film is being shown this Friday(11/11) at 8 pm at the Neverending Bookstore, 810 State Street in New Haven, where I will be to answer questions and so forth. My friends Roger and Shula who run the place have been trying to organize this for a while and I finally gave in a few weeks ago. I hope I can find a large screen tv for the ocassion, not sure, but it will be fun none the less, though it is always a trial for me to watch the movie, such is the case with alot of people.

And yeah, predizone is a work out. Too bad they don't have anything else less crazy making. So I do what I can to avoid taking it, but sometimes it's all there is. Must find a good yoga teacher and shaman.

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It was a very enjoyable experience. I thought I was going to have to call the ambulance but the people were all so nice, so I could calm down. "Watched" it from the kitchen in the next room, but did look in for some scenes. The film holds up well. So great of you guys to be so enthusiastic.

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Gosh...I can't imagine feeling uncomfortable(?) about a performance so wonderful, or a movie so good. You, of course, were so adorable/lovable that I wished I were Mr. Boyd - the emotional impact of the film hit right on!

My brothers and I occasionally get together to watch our favorite movies, we haven't seen a better one yet - just SO MANY great scenes. Each year it's on my Christmas list for others.

Would be nice to visit New Haven and catch a showing, or to see you appear on TCM sometime...

Happy Holiday wishes

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It's been quite a while since I had last checked out this site & am sorry that I had waited so long! - would have seriously considered driving 5-6 hours (even with the gas prices) to see you, watch the movie, and listen to your commentary! Am sure that it was a fun experience for all...

Also, as noted in other places, would love to see:

1. You get a website
2. You be included in a future showing of Henry Orient on Turner Classic Movies with Robert Osborne. The comments and interviews with actors/actresses always add so much to the enjoyment of a film.
3. An improved/revised DVD including yours and Merrie's insights. It is these added features that make DVD's a special buy.

Thanks & Best Wishes...

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Ms. Osterwald passed away in 2002 at the age of either 81 or 83. (There are conflicting records of her year of birth.) Her appearances on the New York stage were infrequent but always welcome. For a while, she was Carol Channing's understudy in Hello, Dolly!. Her last film appearance was in As Good As It Gets.

I always wondered whether the film meant to imply that Boothy and Mrs. Gilbert were "special friends." I like to think so, if only because it would probably scandalize Merrie.


Just because you don't like milk doesn't mean the cow made a mistake.

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Bibi Osterwald's role in As Good As It Gets was a small one, as one of Jack Nicholson's neighbors. She gives Jack a dirty look in the first scene, and refuses to watch Greg Kinnear's dog when asked by Cuba Gooding, Jr. in another scene. It took me several viewings of Henry Orient and As Good As It Gets before I realized that these roles were played by the same actress, although her appearance didn't change much in 33 years. Anyway, getting back to Tippy, I'm sorry I didn't check this page more frequently, as I would have tried to get to New Haven for the screening, as well. Maybe the bookstore can make an annual event of it. It would be cool for all of us on this page to hang out for a weekend and enjoy a good movie. Tippy, if you're reading this, are you up for trying this again next year?

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I just did a little checking and I see that, after standing by for several Dollys during the Broadway run (Channing, Ginger Rogers, Martha Raye, Betty Grable), Bibi officially played the role on Broadway for one week in November 1967, before Pearl Bailey arrived with her all-black cast. (By the way, Channing's first standby in the show, before Osterwald, was briefly Jo Anne Worley.)

Just because you don't like milk doesn't mean the cow made a mistake.

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The website is fraught with delays, complications, it's becoming annoying. I must just get down and do something myself, something simple. Will let you know.

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You're welcome, Filmson, it is always a lift to read your thoughts. Actually, it's a beautiful day today, sunny and snowy, the equinox, a miracle that persuaded me to run barefoot in the snow for the first time in my life. Truly Fabulous!!!! So Spring or latest Winter snow can be the best!!!!!!!!!!

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started a blog, hoofwingbattalion on blogger.com. The merest beginning, but there.

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Thanks, pearlylight, I truly appreciate all the really good feeling expressed here by everybody. I'm going to need all the help I can get this year.

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Angela was very formidable. She had just done The Manchurian Candidate", was married to Peter Shaw, one of the most powerful agents in LA. I had no idea who she was or what she'd done. She and George had alot of laughs. She was nice to me, I got through our scenes. She was scarey, tough, professional. Always the thing about acting with kids would come up, she and Tom Bosley. I was scarey to them, unpredictable and young. They were all nice but distant. Only Peter Sellers wasn't afraid of me, but we didn't have any dialogue together, though I don't think that would have made a difference.

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Most of the people who write here live so far away... There's a chance I might have a good day. I'm really not that portable, but maybe we can do something quiet and fun.

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Upper east side, Carnegie Hall, The Park, Greenich Village? Hmmm, the village would get my vote, but I'm not so well informed about restaurants now, whereever there is a great restaurant would get my smarter vote....Bet there are some great new ones, nothing fancy- where do they serve really good healthy food? (not too expensive)

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The Great American Health Bar sounds fine!

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The Carnegie Deli, although less healthy, is also a very good restaurant, just around the corner from Carnegie Hall.

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Okay to either restaurants. And in answer to your question about the bookstore, nocomputer1962, Roger who runs it is kind of quirky and might not go for a yearly showing of Henry. But I could show it at my house....maybe.

I wonder who's been putting up all the unacceptable posts?

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I saw it I think, but the music wasn't from the film, I wonder why?

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It's a pity that so few projects of Ms. Walker's are available on film...perhaps I'll be fated to rely solely on The World of Henry Orient...which wouldn't be that bad, I suppose. Has anyone seen The Jesus Trip?

He said it's all in your head, and I said, so's everything--
But he didnt get it.

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Hi, Filmson, Hi Vanityfair. My other films were awful, it's a mercy they're not more available. I wish I had good versions of my circus acts, they were mostly sweet. But something else may appear.....

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Hello, and thank you for your honesty.

He said it's all in your head, and I said, so's everything--
But he didnt get it.

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I saw the drug one many moons ago. Of course, I watched it because you were in it, . File it under "so bad it's good".

So you're, like, two degrees from Hermann Munster. Cool.

Poets are made by fools like me, but only God can make STD.

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I seen the Jesus trip a few times and also Jennifer on my mind...I've been waiting and looking for copies of these for awhile to buy.

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What a treat to read posts from Elizabeth herself! I hope she's doing well now. She has such a wonderful writing style and her circus act sounds fantastic!

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Wow. I just had to respond to Elizabeth's story. It was very touching.

I remember back in the early 80s, when I was around 12 years old, staying up very late one night a movie came on television. It was The World of Henry Orient. I was so tired from staying up, but this movie was so charming and I immediately fell in love with Tippy. I wasn't the type of boy to have crushes so easily. But everything about her in that movie seemed so genuine. Some actors are good at being actors. To me Tippy was good at being genuine. That was the only time I saw that movie and I never saw any other movie with her since then. But what's amazing to me, is that so many things have happened in my life over the years, including marriage and children, yet I never forgot that movie or that charming teenage girl. It stuck with me as clear as they night I watched it. And to my pleasant surprise, out of the blue, I saw it listed on TCM a couple of years ago. The experience of watching it again took me back, and I felt those same feelings all over again. How amazing is this girl! There's no one else in the world like her, and I haven't even met her before! Those were my thoughts. Forget acting. Its the real you I see and its remarkable. Sometimes you witness the nature of a person that was made to click with you. Its better than an avid birdwatcher seeing his favorite rare bird. Nothing compares to this. I have watched this film with my kids several times and they like it. It definitely has a lot of charm. There aren't too many movies that can compare.

Elizabeth. Thank you for sharing such honesty. I am selfishly saddened because your acting career didn't continue the way it was early on. More so, I am saddened by the reasons why. But even though you may carry burdens of the past, they have done very little to hide that beautiful bright light that shines within you. This I am certain of.

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