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Susan Hawyard and Barbara Stanwyck


Helen Rackin the wife of Paramount Production Chief Marty Rackin said the initial casting was to be Susan Hawyard and Barbara Stanwyck. Two very great actresses admired by their peers.

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It would have been a better movie with Ms. Hayward and Ms. Stanwyck

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And how would you have known it would have been a better picture with Stanwyck> Have you seen footage of the film with Stanwyck in the role?

Where Love has Gone is remembered primarily because Bette Davis was in it. It is also ridiculed because of Susan Hayward's embarrassing performance. ("You're a drunk! A DRUNK!!!") Dreadful.

The OP's pathetic quest to maintain Hayward's memory at the expense of true legends remains an uphill battle.



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No, the movie would of been better with Stanwyck and Davis. Hayward brought down the quality of the film.

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Well, Stanwyck, though she was a year older, could still have passed as Davis' daughter, so, yeah, maybe....

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It would have been better with Lana Turner replacing Hayward. Now that would have really brought people to the theaters!

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I don't know if Stanwyck and Davis would have worked as mother and daughter.

My reasoning: The age difference between Davis and Hayward really was not great enough for Davis to plausibly be Hayward's mother. However, the movie is almost able to pull it off by making Davis look older. The most obvious effort is having Davis appear with gray hair opposite the flaming locks of Hayward.

The "gray hair trick" wouldn't have worked with Stanwyck. By this point in her career, Stanwyck was always appearing with gray hair (I can't recall anything Stanwyck did after 1960 or so where her hair was another color). Pairing gray haired Stanwyck as the daughter against gray haired Davis as her mother would have looked ridiculous. This movie isn't great but it would have been even worse with Stanwyck as Davis' daughter. It just would not have worked.

I've always been a HUGE fan of Stanwyck but she definitely would have been miscast in this movie as Davis' daughter.

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My initial post suggested Barbara Stanwyck in the Bette Davis role and Susan Hayward as the daughters. Both stars hailed from Brooklyn. Both were very professional in their work and were friends.

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AndersonW, did you watch this film when it aired on TCM a few weeks back? I was just wondering if it aired in the right aspect ratio, cause when I saw it posted online a year or so ago, it was in full-screen, whereas I think it was supposed to be widescreen. So, can you tell me if TCM aired it correctly?

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I think the stars did the best they could with a really clunky script.

A daffy woman constantly strives to become a star.

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The OP's pathetic quest to maintain Hayward's memory at the expense of true legends remains an uphill battle.
Susan Hayward is a true acting legend though. It's not an insult to other actresses to admit that.

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With all due respect, I disagree. I don't think Stanwyck would have been right for the part---even if she and Susan Hayward did both have Brooklyn in common. She and Hayward would have seemed more like sisters than mother and daughter!

I like the film as-is, with Hayward and Davis.

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Stanwyck was too young to play Hayward's mom though and given she was already white haired I don't see how she could have been aged credibly. Davis played her as older than her (Bette's) years. I do think Stanwyck is a better actress than the great Davis though and it could have worked but I would have preferred an actress really old enough to be Hayward's mother like Dame Judith Anderson or Gloria Swanson.

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And Stanwyck and Hayward would have mixed like oil and water. Contrary to what the delusional Andersonwhitbeck had posted, they were never friends, not especially so in 1963. They met only once, in the early 1970s and according to a biography on Hayward, it was a very cordial meeting. Yet get them to work together and you have a disaster in the making, what with Stanwyck being so chummy with everyone and Hayward being so aloof on the set.

The problem with Andersonwhitbeck is he tries to make Hayward seem like everyone's friend in Hollywood. She was the exact opposite of what he deperately wants to make her out to be.

There is a picture of Bette Davis and Susan Hayward together with director Edward Dmitryk at a party for the press. In the shot, they seemed more like sisters since both were out of character and they were impeccably dressed and coifed for the party.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/64924500@N04/11980090996

Bette Davis is a character actor and a character actor will make herself look old enough to make the role (and the film) believable.

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Acting wise, there's no question that Stanwyck could have done it. And yes, even with white hair, she didn't really look her actual age, let alone old enough to be Hayward's mother. But aging makeup could have worked wonders...it was used when she played Mary in The Thorn Birds (to make her look 75, which was actually how old she was in real life, oddly enough). I don't know if it would have been better or worse than Davis but it certainly would have been good. But I agree with your suggestion of Judith Anderson...she really would have been marvelous!

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Hmm...

But with three films on release for 1964, Stanwyck would have been too busy to bother with Where Love has Gone; she especially wouldn't have wanted to play Hayward's mother (better to co-star with Elvis in Roustabout, which was one of Presley's better movies). The main problem with the film was Hayward, who was downright hammy, as she was in many of her movies.

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Well I wasn't considering whether she would have been able to do it based on her schedule. I was just saying that, if she had been offered the role and if she had wanted to do it, there's no question that she could have done it and pulled it off successfully.



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Yes but in The Thorn Birds there was no one in Stanwyck's age range to compare her to so for her to be the mother of Hayward (a decade her junior) they would have had to gone overboard ala The Great Man's Lady treatment. I don't think Stanwyck particularly would have liked to have played second fiddle to a rival any more than Davis did although she surely would have been more tactful in the situation and suspect she turned down films like the many supporting things Bette did 1959-1976 even if she did occasionally dabble in lesser parts (Walk on the Wild Side, Roustabout).

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All good points.

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