<<<<Nooooo, I am bashing the film>>>>
Your last post was bashing people here. Read your first line.
<<<<And I tell you, I do not need to read articles nor the http:// that you suggest for me to think any different. I do not need to understand its historical context(I lived it), I still think it deserved to be bashed. >>>>
Yeah, you probably don't need to read anything about the film, including what I am writing now. But if you want to criticize other people's works or words, if you want to provide your own valuable opinions and have a serious discussion, you have to first know the FACTS and understand people(especially the movie makers) from their points of view and get into their historical or social backgrounds. It takes years and even decades to truly understand a great film and history itself. This is why the film is kind of rediscovery by Western directors, because Cuban and Soviet audience never got it. So even if you lived in one of those communist countries, frankly, you are not supposed to understand it more easily, and ironically, you are not supposed to understand what you was living in, either, because your view is not objective. And remember what those Cuban people commented about this movie, the movie is not "I am Cuba", but "I am not Cuba".
<<<<But frankly, my mommy dearest, aren't you giveing me a cheap immitation of "Gone with the Wind"? If you think there is Artistic Greatness in this film, I am not going to take it away from you. look like you need it, .. be avangard. >>>>
I believe art and science are systems built on basic concepts, logics(or rules) and primitive actions(techinques). For me, being avant-guard, politically, aesthetically or whatever, is meaningless. I only care what they did, not what they are labeled. First focus on techniques and details, then talk about styles.
<<<<I think it is slow, extremely slow. The initial lines in the first scene could have been better written by a 5 grader (it might have kept my interst)..... >>>>
Ok, let's talk about the details in the scene of initial lines, I will list something you should notice, from the beginning, the movement in the helicopter shot, from land to sea(those trees produced some waving effects), and then the tilted panning shot from sea to sky; and notice how great is the compostion of that picture when the first line begins, the contrast between the trees and the sky, the aperture they used and the image quality(remember the film was designed to shoot the dartside of the moon). Then the follow shot of the boatman, a extremely beautiful scene: the stick, the body of the boatman and the backgroud create an exaggerated feeling of distance, and notice the movement of the boat in the space of the water, the land, the sky and the buildings, the movement of the boatman and the movement of the camera inside the boat, they are just great!
<<<<Those Rusian (or Cuban, I didn't recuignised them 47 years later) actors made poorly bad immitations of Americans. and they reminded me of Rusian Cartoon. And if you never seen Rusian Cartoon, you wouldn't know what I mean. Those actors in the first scene made a poor piss immitation of an ugly american, full of stereotypes and ..... you know the rest...... I scratch my head to where they found the American Sailors to do the ending of the first part. And then have such poor first scene ............ From there, I truly think the film goes down hill. You think is artisitic, I think I puck!! >>>>
Ok, you hate those Russian actors performances. That may be the main reason why you hate the movie. Frankly, my dear, get over it! It a political propaganda film in 1964!! Do you know how poorly Hollywood films described communist countries and foreign soldiers in 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and even today?! Come on, get over it. The important things about this film is not about politics or history, it is not about US Navy sailors, is not even really about Cuban people!!
<<<<Just for your own and little political knowleadge (and if you don't think there is not political message in this film look again), probrably more than half (I am being generouse)of the Cuban cast is now in exile. That is probrably why the film was not released earlier.>>>>
If you really have any knowledge about this film, you should know the film was released both in Cuba and Soviet Union in 1964. But people in both of these countries didn't get it, and it has been discarded and forgotten by them for nearly 40 years(One main actor even forgets his presence in this film). And also if you have watched the documentary I listed above, you will know how wrong is your guess of the Cuban cast.
As I have said in some post before, it is the achievements of cinematography, the perfectionism and creativity of the director and the cinematographer that make this film rediscoveried and make film great. So commie-bashers from western countries, from precommunist countries or whatever places, if you want to express your hatred to Stalin, Mao or Castro, frankly, you are barking up the wrong tree here. It is just like selling anti-communism cliches on the message board of "Battleship Potemkin", which only insults people's intelligence, including your own.
You take this *beep* too seriously.................... To take it so personally requires some kind of an attachment.
Sorry, I look at it again (I have a copy) to see if I could see any thing else. And the only thing I found was the camara work is the only art in the movie.
The film still full of miss information and exagerations and even some poor acting. And to tell you the truth I am not interested in other movies of the cold war. I am talking about this one. I am not crtiquing another movie only this one.
I don't know if I mention it before, and I am not sure about the real numbers, but a great number of the actors and staff in this movie are now in exile. Someone told me that there is a movie critiquin the movie, which I have not found yet nor seen.
I guess this movie raise my curriosity enought to look at it again and see if I find anything worthwhile mention.
I am a naive critiquer, I do not have a course in cinema appreciation. I either like it or not and I don't have to be deap.
<<<You take this *beep* too seriously.................... To take it so personally requires some kind of an attachment. >>>
Review your first post here, who took it personally?
I am not sure what you meant "attachment" here, I like the movie very much, that is all, without any personal bond or connection with your commie countries or this commie movie, I got the DVD and the documentary(from cable) though. So stop your offensive logic that anyone loves the movie msut be a commie or having "some kind of an attachment".
<<<The film still full of miss information and exagerations and even some poor acting. And to tell you the truth I am not interested in other movies of the cold war. I am talking about this one. I am not crtiquing another movie only this one. >>>
Reasonable people don't care its political propaganda context and the "poor acting", that is why bashing commies is stupid here. Just get over it.
<<<I am a naive critiquer, I do not have a course in cinema appreciation. I either like it or not and I don't have to be deap. >>>
So have you read the book of "How to be a decent critiquer"? Isn't its first chapter titled with "Do not insult people"?
A lot of "naive" critiquers jump out everyday bashing classic movies by ignoring their greatness and exaggerating minor flaws. I have no interest in persuading anyone. Some of them are just ignorant, not really stupid or stubborn, so I would like to share my opinions and information with them, but they get it or not, I dont give a sh*t.