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Santa is so nasty and non-understanding


Watching this now on CBS. I always hate Santa Claus for a supposedly jolly good guy he sure is so nasty and dismissive of Rudolph, especially in this show. Perhaps he deserves a little coal himself!

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I'm watching it on cbs now too and I was thinking the same thing myself, that's actually why I got on imdb to see if anyone else saw this.

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You might be nasty too, if you knew that very soon, Mrs Claus was going to forced feed you like a goose destined to become Foie gras just so you'll be able to fit in your Santa suit

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They all drive Rudolph away from his home and almost get him killed by Bumble! And then when Santa has need for that nose, all of a sudden he's fine with Rudolph. Nice lesson to teach the kiddies, lol... And then the fat bastard doesn't even land the sleigh, he just tosses the toys out randomly! Who the hell knows where they're landing? Would be nice if they finally get off the island and then are run over by a truck!

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Comet was a real d*ck too!

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I would agree on that. But I love that "NYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!! 😨" thing he does.

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Isn't it on in ten days or something, according to what's on here? Well, some people have written before that he's a real prick here. But remember, he isn't the main character-Rudolph is.

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Santa Claus was selfish and epitomizes what is wrong with Xmas. Talk about a user. Most of the characters were beligerent and mean.

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If you watch carefully Burl Ives says they started to be nice to Rudolph and Hermy after the rescue at the cave but before the bad weather report.

Oh GOOD!,my dog found the chainsaw

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The Year Without A Santa Claus (featuring the Miser Brothers-Heat Miser and Snow Miser!)

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"If you watch carefully Burl Ives says they started to be nice to Rudolph and Hermy after the rescue at the cave but before the bad weather report."

True, but listen to Santa's tone of voice when he's about to cancel Christmas. Rudolph's nose starts to glow. In a frustrated/disgusted voice, he says, "Rudolph, could you tone it down a bit? I mean, that nose of yours." It sounded to me like he wasn't totally accepting of Rudolph's nose until he realized the benefit of using Rudolph to guide his sleigh.

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Well, it was shining in his face. That would be irritating to anyone. He was trying to explain something but was distracted by the shining nose at first, then realized the shining nose solved the problem.

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I agree. And at least he and the others apologized before this happened.

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It clicked that difference can be beneficial after all. And that difference has a purpose.

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Don't forget Donner, Rudolph's Dad. What a jerk. King of Ding-a-lings is a great song !

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Wow! The first post you've made in over 3 years and it was Rudolph that brought you out of hiding.



He's taking the knife out of the Cheese!
Do you think he wants some cheese?


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Um, no. I don't see Donner as a jerk. He was trying to get Rudolph to join the sleigh team and he did teach Rudolph how to hunt and what to do as a reindeer. He also told Rudolph that self-respect (respect for Rudolph himself) was more important than comfort. And notice how he encourages Rudolph to join the other deer at the games. I think that he was just trying to do what was best for his son, but was a bit too harsh. And remember that he did apologize at the end.

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It's true Santa isn't depicted as the benevolent, big, jolly fellow he's seen to be. I think this depiction shows Santa as an imperfect human being. Sort of a henpecked, grumpy old man. After all, is Santa jolly ALL the time?

Sure he's flabbergasted at Rudolph's shining nose. This is unusual, so of course he wouldn't understand it and wouldn't foresee any practical use for it. After all, exactly how useful was Rudolph's nose before the storm? Even Rudolph felt bothered by it.

When Rudolph's nose is exposed at the reindeer games, I admit Santa was out of line for telling Donner he should be ashamed of himself.

The Elves Song... Santa was clearly pre-occupied with other things on his mind, so they obviously picked a bad time to perform for him. Santa Claus is a busy man, don't forget. Planning all those stops around the world in just ONE night. That can't be too easy to do. On top of that, Mrs. Claus is nagging him to eat and eat because the children expect a fat Santa.
Santa's just being a critic. Harsh, but honest. Santa Claus would not lie.

Finally, Santa saying that without Donner he wouldn't be able to get his sleigh off the ground. That isn't being selfish. He's thinking about all the children of the world who would be disappointed without toys for Christmas.

In the end, "even Santa realizes that maybe HE was wrong." Santa is only human.
"We'll have to cancel Christmas" was basically his way of saying "cancel the trip". Saying "cancel Christmas" was more effective I guess.

You know, I wonder how he drops all his weight after Christmas is over. When we first see him, he's basically a skinny bean pole dressed as Sherlock Holmes. Maybe he gets liposuction.

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"Santa Claus is a busy man, don't forget. Planning all those stops around the world in just ONE night."

Stops?!

The man just keeps flying his sleigh and has his elves dropping toys at random as they pass over houses. The only stop we see him make is when he shows up at the Island of Misfit Toys. That's another classic Santa moment - he's left these toys abandoned there, apparently for years, and when he lands the only thing he says is "Well, let's be on our way."

Good ol' Kris Kringle, the king of small talk.






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"The man just keeps flying his sleigh and has his elves dropping toys at random as they pass over houses. The only stop we see him make is when he shows up at the Island of Misfit Toys."

I'm guessing R/B did that for a number of reasons: time, budget, just needed a tag sequence. Don't forget, they only had a set budget to make this. Billie Mae Richards and Paul Soles were only paid $300 for playing Rudolph and Hermey respectively, so there was only so much they could do. Had this been made in, say 1975, they might have included a more detailed way of Santa delivering the toys. They only had so much to work with.

"That's another classic Santa moment - he's left these toys abandoned there, apparently for years, and when he lands the only thing he says is "Well, let's be on our way."

I don't think Santa even knew about the misfit toys. If you recall, Charlie-in-the-box says it's King Moonracer who searches the earth for unloved misfit toys and brings them to the island. Santa just makes and delivers the toys, he doesn't control whether or not a child actually likes them.

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The thing about Santa not knowing about the Island of Misfit Toys is how can he not know?? He's supposed to know where every child in the world lives, and is therefore in every nook and cranny of the earth....so how does he miss an ISLAND every single year?

Not only that, if he 'makes the toys', did he make the misfit toys too? How did the train get square wheels? Who paired up a cowboy with an ostrich? I'm thinking backstory. Hermes wasn't the first disgruntled elf, there was another, one nobody talks about-one with a wicked sense of humor.


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"so how does he miss an ISLAND every single year?"

Because no children live there.

"Not only that, if he 'makes the toys', did he make the misfit toys too? How did the train get square wheels? Who paired up a cowboy with an ostrich? I'm thinking backstory."

Factory rejects. There could be many interesting backstories surrounding those toys. You could be right, there might have been some disgruntled elf or a very inexperienced one who made those toys.

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The toys are 'disabled' they are brought to the island by King Moonracer for their own 'protection'. It is assumed they would not be able to perform the duties of 'regular' toys...but they are lonely and desperately also want to be played with by children.

The families watching this in the 1960's and 1970s would understand this as commenting on the institutionalization of people w disabilities. The toys are supposed to represent people w disabilities.

It's a very stark and powerful movie. It unfortunately loses some meaning today bc of how society has infact changed. People are not locked up and away just bc they have disabilities.

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Also, that tag sequence wasn't part of the original show. I believe it was added to the second airing in reponse to Rankin and Bass getting flooded with letters asking for the Misfit Toys to be rescued.

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I agree; I now see King Moonracer as like a father sort of figure who adopts these toys. I think the kids who get these misfit toys will probably love them.

But I say geez, what is it with people of this generation acting like this and disliking the special saying "oh, everyone's a jerk!"? Are we becoming a bunch of overprotective crybabies?

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It has a low budget kind of look., but that's why it's a classic, still an hour with ads.

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I completely agree with most of this, but I think the reason that Santa was telling Donner he should be ashamed of himself was because of the covering the nose thing. Notice that when Santa said that, he wasn't angry at Rudolph, but at Donner. All he said about Rudolph was that he felt pity for him, and he had a nice takeoff, and he looked a bit sad. If it was the ashamed way as most people I believe misinterpret, then that part with Donner feeling how bad he treated Rudolph would make no sense. I think the reason he's thin is because he's busy in an unhealthy way😁.

I do agree that he was sad about cancelling the trip also.

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I would say however, that even if Santa is crabby at parts during the movie, he still is the jolly fat man in the red suit that we all know at Christmas.

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Santa Claus has diabetes??

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What more can one expect from Coca Cola's corporate mascot?

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haha.. just watching this when it was on the other week i was thinking "why the heck did i ever like this movie?" all the characters besides rudolph, hermey, clarice, and yukon cornelius are jerks.
the Head Elf was as big a jerk to Hermey as Santa/other reindeer were to Rudolph. Then when Rudolph was missing Clarice and Rudolph's mother told Donner that they were going to search for him and his respond was "Stay here, this is man's work." Obviously a father would want the family to stay safe and not for them to be in danger either, but that was a really weird line.
And then its not only Rudolph and Hermey that are rejected... there's a whole island of misfits that nobody likes lol.
This whole movie is basically saying that if you are different you'll be cast out of society. And the only way you'll be accepted is if you prove to be useful somehow (Rudolph's nose, Hermey getting rid of the Bumble, misfit toys making kids happy).



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I never really saw Santa as being mean/rude to Rudolph for his nose. When he meets Rudolph and Donner says the nose will probably go away, Santa casually says "it'd better if he's going to lift the sleigh someday." But aside from that and the "Donner, you should be ashamed of yourself!" line (regarding the fact Donner tried o hide the shiney red nose) he doesn't seem to dislike Rudolph.

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Why does he think Rudolf can't lift the sleigh just because of his nose? That doesn't make any sense to me.

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It was because Rudolph looked different with the red nose and wasn't accepted into what was "normal" society up there. Same thing with Hermie and the Head Elf not liking him.

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I completely agree with that statement. I thought Santa was acting mean first, but now I've changed my mind. I'm guessing Santa thought that the whole thing with Rudolph's nose was something babies might have when they're younger that might go away when they're older. Also, notice how when Santa says that "you should be ashamed of yourself line", he's talking to and is mad at DONNER, not Rudolph. That "Donner felt pretty bad" line would make no sense if it was taken in the way it seems some people are taking it, if Santa said Donner should be ashamed for having Rudolph that way, which I don't agree with. Also, if Santa were really a jerk, would he actually explain and sing to Rudolph what reindeer are like and actually sound happy to see him when he comes home? Also, when he says "What a pity" about Rudolph, he looks like he feels sorry for him.

Sorry if this reply's kinda long, but I'm getting very freaking sick of seeing people say something like this. 😬

Does anyone agree with me?

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"Obviously a father would want the family to stay safe and not for them to be in danger either, but that was a really weird line. "

Well it WAS made in the 60s. Although sadly, some still feel that way, it just wouldn't be in a Christmas special.

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Really? Just Santa? There were so many jerks in this movie that I'm surprised they didn't just call it "The Un-Merry Douchebag Christmas Special".

The more people I meet, the more I get why Jane Goodall spends all of her time with chimps.....

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I don't see it that way at all. I'm afraid it's just because times have unfortunately changed for the worst. And no, not all the characters were jerks. To me anyways. You can think that way if you want, but keep it to yourself.

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So, keep my opinions to myself? I wasn't aware this was North Korea...

The more people I meet, the more I get why Jane Goodall spends all of her time with chimps.....

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