A very sexist movie


This movie is quite sexist and demeaning towards a Women. A movie like this would never have been made today.

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Here we go again. The world was not created in 2000. This play was written in 1914 - the Edwardian Era - and it was light years away from today's ways of thinking, both for the good and the bad. Eliza and Higgins are products of their time, and as much as rewriting history seems to be in vogue, we can't re-imagine Eliza as a kick-ass, tattoo sporting overly pierced, foulmouthed harridan. Such women did not exist then, nor would Higgins treatment of her, hard as it may be to swallow, would have been considered sexist and demeaning - her own father hardly treated her more humanly. If any film dealing with subject matter that predates the 21st century is offensive to you, why don't you take every measure to avoid seeing them?

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The movie IS sexist. It is also classist. On both counts GBS ought to have known better and his own awkward ending hardly gets around this.

Regardless, the film itself is made in the 1960s- the idea that it needs to preserve screwed up depictions of people to be in some way authentic to an era, is ridiculous.

And your relativism is misguided. Women in the Edwardian era most certainly DID become doctors and lawyers and teachers and entrepreneurs. The idea that independent women 'did not exist' then is historical garbage. It might have been uncommon, and it was certainly difficult, but to deny the possibility is just ignorant.

In the movie, Eliza's father refuses her any money, ostensibly to protect her from the burdens of middle class morality, but he declares, without any apparent hint of irony, that she is now equipped to make a go of life for herself. It is a pity that neither GBS nor the film makers thought to take this to its proper resolution and instead give us a working class woman scrubbed up nicely who is dependent for her happiness and security on the largess of men.

That GBS wrote the play when the suffragette movement was already a generation old and the movie version was made when the feminist movement was in full stride, makes any appeal to 'unawareness' disingenuous.

And don't even get me started on the classist claptrap in this GBS BS.

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the movie version was made when the feminist movement was in full stride


No.

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It is true that the suffragettes were very active at the time this play was written. There were the militant and non militant suffragettes. The non militant ones believed in peaceful protest, writing letters, petitioning etc. The militant ones went out and smashed windows and set fire to letter boxes and put bombs in Westminster Abbey and Lloyd George's house.

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Shaw ought to have known better? That's what he wrote it about--the relationships between classes, and between men and women. You totally missed the point of "Pygmalion", that is if you've ever even read or seen it, and you know nothing about Shaw.

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"Sexist"? You make it sound like it's a bad thing!

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The movie is "sexist" but in more than one way.

I distinctly heard Eliza telling Professor Higgins "how to feel" at the end of the movie.

She started "changing him" just like he said women always do in the song: "Just an Ordinary Man".

A person should never assume someone's feelings are wrong just because they don't benefit them or play into their wiles.

It's just as bad as Higgins telling Pickering that he doesn't think Eliza has any feelings at all! Or at least not any that they need worry about.

At the end of the movie they're both "gameplayers" and are of no interest to us any longer, so the film ends.

Oh, and I also think Pickering left Higgins for Brucey.

If your wife is a wicked witch, you're a flying monkey.

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When Higgins says Eliza doesn't have feelings they need care about, I'm sure it's a class thing, not a sex thing.

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I agree that the discussion at the end makes more sense as a "class" discussion than a love discussion.

I can feel for Eliza's concern that she has no place in Higgin's world but her problem is that she has completely forgotten her plan of working in a flower shop rather than on the streets.

She's lost sight of her original goal.

She has the language skills she wanted to become a lady in the flower shop.

Couldn't she also have offered the idea of offering phonetics lessons under his supervision?

What else did she expect? If she'd have been more balanced she could've sat Higgins down and quietly discussed her future yet she relied on soap opera histrionics. Other men may have found that interesting, but certainly not Higgins.

There's a line in the Rolling Stones song: "You can't always get what you want...but if you try, sometimes you get what you need." Of course, this was about drugs, but love can be just as addictive and has all of its own dependencies.

If your wife is a wicked witch, you're a flying monkey.

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The OP is likely one of those hipsters who makes a sexist- thread on all boards where she can find so-called sexism. Its funny in a way, but also kind if depressing if she is serious. Actually, it's usually the ones who cite sexism towards women who are the most sexist towards men

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I think that it is a wonderful lesson on why one should never fall in love with a teacher, boss, preacher etc. and to never try to change a gay man into straightness.

If your wife is a wicked witch, you're a flying monkey.

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Yes, certainly that. But it's also a story about how unfair English classism was toward not only the poorer people, but the woman of either class.

Thankfully Eliza can probably marry Freddie and open that flower shop. Henry can hang. (On his own bloody slippers.)

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that's very true. i always did wonder why she had forgotten about the flower shop. another possibility, with her new accent, would be working as a telephonist, which required a good speaking voice. It was a job considered suitable for middle class girls, and Eliza could easily have done it.

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There are lots of movies made past the millennium that are influenced by my fair lady with sexist, lookist and classist undertones. Most recent “The DUFF” (2015). So it COULD be made today just under different pretended.

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Great movie. Can't wait to see it again!

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No it's not. Eliza is depicted as a believable, intelligent, and complicated person, someone who is offered a chance to improve her life in an era of crushing class stratification, and who seizes an opportunity with both hands and holds on even when the going gets rough. She was a heroine for her times, someone who learned and grew, and gave the stifling class system a great big "Fuck YOU"!

If anything, it's a feminist story, as Eliza is brave and clever, and all the male characters are depicted as bullies or weaklings.



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I dread what the PC brigade would do to a revival - dropping Why Can't a Woman and the like.

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It's on tour at the moment apparently: https://myfairladymusical.co.uk/uk-tour/tour-dates/
I'm guessing it still has all the songs but I won't be buying a ticket to check.

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I just noticed it will be at Southampton Mayflower Theatre - perhaps AndyKing1967 will be able to confirm the songs 😀

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Um, I hate to break it to you, but Edwardian society in general was sexist, as well as classist. What makes women love this film is watching Eliza evolve from a childish, coarse flower girl that blubbers at the slightest problem, to a full-on independent woman that learns how to be strong in the face of men who try to control her. Plus the movie is a costume porn-fest.

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