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How on EARTH was Audrey not nominated for Oscar??


How???

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I know huh? I believe the answer is, they held it against Audrey because she didn't sing and because they cast her instead of Julie Andrews, duh, look who they gave the Oscar to, Julie Andrews.

Not even being nominated while just about everybody else did (and won) was like them kicking Audrey Hepburn in the crotch. We can argue that maybe she didn't deserve to win (I think she did btw), but not even getting a nomination is a travesty, and obviously nothing other than spite, another case of typical studio politics.

I think they knew damn well that had Audrey Hepburn been nominated she would have won hands down, they obviously didn't want her to win, they wanted Andrews, I believe they were trying to right a wrong, again not casting Andrews. The Academy of Motion Pictures did this all the time (and still do to a certain degree) that is, handing out Oscars for mistakes, too tough to call years, and sympathy awards in years past. Elizabeth Taylor winning for BUtterfield 8 is a perfect example.

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"Elizabeth Taylor winning for BUtterfield 8 is a perfect example."

DON'T YOU DARE! Elizabeth deserved that oscar that year! Nobody nominated that year came close to her performance. Second to her I would place Shirley Maclaine and even she can't touch Elizabeth's performance.

I do agree with everything else you said, though

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DON'T YOU DARE! Elizabeth deserved that oscar that year! Nobody nominated that year came close to her performance. Second to her I would place Shirley Maclaine and even she can't touch Elizabeth's performance.



Liz deserved the Academy Award for Cat On A Hot Tin Roof, she was far better than Susan Heywood in I Want To Live!, I think the Academy knew they F'd up and paid her back with an Oscar for BUtterfield 8, and that's my honest opinion.

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Was Hepburn's Before-the transformation as good as the After? That might be a reason,if it aplpies. Also, Hollywood or the AA doesn't need to cater to Julie Andrews because she didn't get cast.

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That's basically it. She got the part and took it away from Julie Andrews. Right or wrong I'm sure that's how they saw it. When Disney took a chance and cast the relatively unknown actress as Mary Poppins, I think she got the Oscar to rub salt in Audrey's wounds. It's a tough business, cruel even.

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I think they knew damn well that had Audrey Hepburn been nominated she would have won hands down, they obviously didn't want her to win, they wanted Andrews


They squared off at the Golden Globes and Andrews still beat her, so I don't think Hepburn had a chance in hell, even if she were nominated for an Oscar. Andrews had too much goodwill and a banner year:

-Mary Poppins was the #1 movie of 1964 and the most nominated film of the year, with 13 Oscar nominations.

-The Americanization of Emily, Andrews' second movie, came out two months after MP and was a moderate hit and garnered two Oscar nods, for Art Direction and Cinematography.

-The Sound of Music, Andrews' third film, was released when the nominations were announced, so by the time the ceremony took place a month later, it had become a smash hit, eventually becoming not only the highest-grossing film of 1965 but of all time, displacing Gone with the Wind, who'd held the #1 position for the past 25 years.

-Obviously, there was also the sentimentality. Many felt that Andrews was unjustly wronged and had deserved to reprise her stage role on film, along with Rex Harrison. Little wonder that they both won Oscars on the same night. It was a My Fair Lady reunion of sorts.

-Then, of course, there was Andrews' performance, which was really good. Many people misremember her Mary Poppins as being sickly sweet, but if you watch the movie again, you'll notice that Poppins is vain, self-absorbed, narcissistic, yet Andrews was able to make her likable. That's no easy task.

-Also, the fact that Hepburn didn't do her own singing was a small factor for her not being nominated and for Andrews winning, especially since Andrews proved Jack Warner wrong that she was photogenic and could carry a picture and, more importantly, had the voice!

So all of the above contributed to Andrews' inevitable win. Even if Hepburn had been nominated alongside her, there was no stopping the Andrews juggernaut!



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vain, self-absorbed, narcissistic


I'm sorry but were we watching the same film? Because Mary NEVER came across as such in the film, and I've recently seen just a few days ago. You are describing the book Mary, who was also a borderline sociopath.

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Your post sums it up very well why Julie had won, but a couple points may be incorrect.

Mary Poppins was the #1 movie of 1964 and the most nominated film of the year, with 13 Oscar nominations.
What do you mean by #1? Top grossing film of the year? If so, that's incorrect. At the time, My Fair Lady was the biggest moneymaker of 1964 with $72 million domestic.
http://www.listal.com/list/top-grossing-films-1964

Goldfinger was 2nd with $51 million, and Mary Poppins at #3 with $31 million (still a big hit against its $6 million budget). Mary Poppins however had 2 theatrical re-releases years later, which then accrued to over $100 million domestic:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=releases&id=marypoppins.htm

So, at Oscar time, My Fair Lady was the reigning box office champ. The Academy is fond of money, especially back then-- not so much today.

...with 13 Oscar nominations.
Well sure, it had 1 more nomination over My Fair Lady with 12, but that isn't really a factor as My Fair Lady won most of the awards that Mary Poppins lost (Best Pic, director, cinematography, art direction, costume, sound, adaptation score etc.). But Mary Poppins received nominations for categories that My Fair Lady wasn't eligible (like original score, original song and visual effects-- none of which My Fair Lady had).

-The Americanization of Emily, Andrews' second movie, came out two months after MP and was a moderate hit and garnered two Oscar nods, for Art Direction and Cinematography.

-The Sound of Music, Andrews' third film, was released when the nominations were announced, so by the time the ceremony took place a month later, it had become a smash hit, eventually becoming not only the highest-grossing film of 1965 but of all time, displacing Gone with the Wind, who'd held the #1 position for the past 25 years.

-Obviously, there was also the sentimentality. Many felt that Andrews was unjustly wronged and had deserved to reprise her stage role on film, along with Rex Harrison. Little wonder that they both won Oscars on the same night. It was a My Fair Lady reunion of sorts.
Well researched points. The Americanization of Emily was well received and had grossed around $8 to $10 million ($4 million in rentals) against its $2.7 million budget.

Having a slew of hits around Oscar season is definitely beneficial in the voting process. Like season 1 of True Detective broadcast on HBO around McConaughey's Oscar win, plus The Wolf of Wall Street and Mud in addition to Dallas Buyers Club.

But Audrey Hepburn still did not deserve to be slighted. She gave a great performance. And she actually did sing her parts and even stayed on set working longer to get the studio to reconsider dubbing her voice. She fought very hard but inevitably lost that battle of course. The studio wanted the vocals to reflect the heights of the Broadway musical. But, dubbing the leads in musicals was the standard at the time, as it was with Deborah Kerr in The King and I in '56 (and she still got nominated) and Natalie Wood in West Side Story in '61. Not Audrey's fault that the studios played these bullsh-t politics.




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Audrey Hepburn was the better actress over Julie Andrews. Ms. Hepburn had a wide range of performances running up to My Fair Lady: Sabrina, Love In The Afternoon, The Nun's Story, Breakfast At Tiffany's. Peerless Lady, Peerless Star, Peerless Actress.

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Not, however, a peerless singer and, since it is a musical, she ended up delivering half a performance. Her previous work, stellar as it is, hardly matters. There is no more ardent admirer of Audrey Hepburn on and off-screen than I, but she was not worthy of a nomination for this particular performance.

Ironically, had she and Julie Andrews switched roles that year (this and The Americanization of Emily were filming at the same time, so they actually could have done so), they might very well have squared off at the Oscars. However, I still believe Julie would have won. Truly, A Star Was Born, just as had happened some ten years earlier when Audrey Hepburn won the best actress award for Roman Holiday.

And anybody suggesting Julie didn't fully earn her Oscar for Mary Poppins is cracked. With no prior filming experience, and having to work to a green screen for much of what she did do, her scintillating work was the hallmark of creativity, intelligence, an inner magic, and inspired madness.

And peerless musicality.

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I think Julie and Audrey were both wonderful in their respective films. But odd though that Deborah Kerr was nominated for KING & I, and she was dubbed (atleast partially).

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I agree with the OP. She should've at least been nominated. I honestly think Julie andrewews would've still won, because at the time Mary Poppins was superior to My Fair Lady. But i feel as the years go on Mary Poppins feels dated and slightly boring, yet i can't stop watching My Fair Lady and listening to the songs on youtube. :)

But the fact that she wasn't even nominated...wtf were they thinking???

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"And anybody suggesting Julie didn't fully earn her Oscar for Mary Poppins is cracked."

ME! If you think I'm cracked then pass me the pipe because I do not believe she deserved the oscar over Audrey. Audrey's half performance, as you call it, is better than most people's FULL performance (See Jennifer Hudson in DreamGirls). Julie Andrew's performance was pretty good but the film is soooooo boring. I can barely sit through 2 hours of bore. My Fair Lady was good the first time I watched it and with every re-watch it gets better and better and I fall in love with Audrey and Rex all over again. I think Julie deserved the oscar for The Sound of Music but not Mary Poppins.

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The OSCAR is not for singing, but for acting. Not for singing, but for acting

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The OSCAR is not for singing, but for acting. Not for singing, but for acting


Singing in a musical is acting you nit.

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Singing in a musical is acting you nit.




There's absolutely no rule in the academy that says a dubbed actress can't be nominated for an Oscar. Someone mentioned Deborah Kerr for the King and I above, but Rita Moreno and Dorothy Dandridge were also nominated for West Side Story and Carmen Jones respectively despite being dubbed. And if you're going to say Rita deserved it because her voice was only partially dubbed, you could make the same argument about Audrey. After all, you CAN hear some of her voice during Just You Wait and The Rain in Spain.

An actress' main job is to act. Not to sing. Not to dance. Not to do stunts. Not to play the piano. But to act. So if an actress gives a great acting performance, but she didn't REALLY drive the car off the cliff, does that mean she doesn't deserve to be nominated? If an actor brings audiences to tears with his acting, but has some of his dancing done by a double because it's almost like gymnastics, does that mean he shouldn't be nominated either?

Oscars for acting are about acting. Not singing or anything else.

And I believe Audrey should have been nominated and WON for My Fair Lady. Julie was good in Mary Poppins, but better in The Sound of Music and Victor/Victoria. Even SHE felt that her Oscar win was mainly political and that Audrey deserved to be at least nominated. Julie actually thought that Anne Bancroft should have won that year for The Pumpkin Eater.

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The OSCAR is not for singing, but for acting. Not for singing, but for acting
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Singing in a musical is acting you nit.


It's for a performance, neither singing nor acting but both, I would think?

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Ms. Hepburn had a wide range of performances running up to My Fair Lady: Sabrina, Love In The Afternoon, The Nun's Story, Breakfast At Tiffany's.


She didn't have much range. Her roles were diverse, but she always played them the same. Even when she played a Long Island girl (Sabrina) or former Texas white trash (Breakfast at Tiffany's) or a blind New Yorker (Wait Until Dark) she always sounded like she was from anotha lahnd. Audrey Hepburn always played Audrey Hepburn.

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Audrey's vocals for "Loverly" IMO are superior to Nixon's in that they're more appropriate to the character at that point in the film. Had she in effect gotten one whole number that was entirely her voice (in addition to the split result on "Just You Wait") I think the argument for not nominating her would have disappeared completely because she in effect would have done more singing in her part then Deborah Kerr did in "King And I" (her one number that was all her own, "Shall I Tell You What I Think of You?" was cut from the film)

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what bothers me most is that they were punishing Audrey Hepburn for something over which she had no control. She didn't steal the part from Julie Andrews. Andrews refused to do a screen test and lost the part, they offered it to Hepburn who agreed. I think Hepburn is perfect in this movie both before and after the intermission. And if you listen to some of the tracks of Hepburn recording the songs, they're not too bad. They could have worked with her more. Back then they were too obsesed with getting perfect vocals,

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Hepburn deserved to be nominated. She was brilliant as Eliza. As I've said in previous posts, critics raved over her. The movie was a box office winner and was the Best Picture of the year, according to Academy voters. Now how could a movie be this successful if the leading lady wasn't any good? Hepburn had much to contribute to its success and its too bad Julie's fans can't accept this fact. MFL is a classic and I'm tired of the tirades that come from the fans of Julie. If they think MFL's Oscar win for Best Picture is a joke, then Julie's Oscar is also a joke, especially when one considers the performances of the other nominees for Best Actress.

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Well, it was a musical. Audrey couldn't do the heavy lifting of...carrying a tune. That's probably why.


That doesn't work because Rex Harrison didn't even attempt to sing his songs, whereas Hepburn did all her own singing (it wasn't her choice to have someone else's voice added in place of her own).

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But you have to remember that Harrison's songs are not *supposed* to be sung. They were designed entirely for a "Sprechstimme" style of talking on pitch with just an occasional sung line (on the Broadway cast albums, Harrison does sing them more than talk as he does in the film). The part of Higgins is not a part that requires the full range of a singer in the traditional sense.

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If that's true, why have a melody for a song...which the actor speaks instead of sings? And why do we have videos of men singing the songs of Professor Higgins which prove his songs have melodies to be sung?

Jeremy Irons Sings "I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4P4w9SQI2o

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They are made so that if someone wants to sing them through they can, but they are also designed to support the "talk on pitch" style of Harrison. The point is that its not a song where one *has* to sing it all the way through.

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It's unforgivable imo. If Grace Kelly can score a nod AND award for Country Girl (Liz in Butterfield8 is another example) there's no reason on Earth Audrey should not have been nominated in 1965. Competition wasn't THAT stiff:

Mary Poppins: Julie Andrews
The Pumpkin Eater: Anne Bancroft
Marriage Italian Style: Sophia Loren
The Unsinkable Molly Brown: Debbie Reynolds
Topkapi: Melina Mercouri
Lilith: Jean Seberg
The Night of the Iguana: Ava Gardner
Circus World: Rita Hayworth
Dear Heart: Geraldine Page

That was the competition.
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You guys are all crazy. Barring the whole Julie Andrews controversy, Hepburn was completely miscast in the role. She couldn't produce a Cockney accent to save her life, had zero chemistry with Harrison, wasn't believable as an uneducated flower girl and didn't sing any of her lines.

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and didn't sing any of her lines.


Not true. Almost half of "Just You Wait" is her voice. That doesn't help your argument much.

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Treyvon got justice, justice being a person getting what they deserve.

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