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'Lilith' lesbian scene??? Plz decode.


The scene where Vincent is following Lilith and that other woman who she is holding hands with by the lake and then into the barn confuses me a little.
When Vincent storms into the barn the girls are either dressing or undressing and he gets very angry. He throws the one girl out, throws Lilith down and says "You dirty little b*tch!" before he starts kissing her.
Was Lilith directing her desires(or however she put it) towards the other woman? I'm just curious because you didn't see much if any homosexuality or bisexuality in films back then. I was rather intruiged.

"I have no idea what she was saying but, I can smell what the Rock was cooking!" -House M.D.

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I assume that Lilith was committed by her family for outrageous sexuality. Bad enough in those days to be promiscuous, but she was getting it on with women and probably young boys as well.

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Sexual contact with underage people is always wrong. It robs a child of their childhood. People joke about "lucky boys" initiated into sex by older women but in reality that is an abusive relationship, plain and simple.

In this film from 1964 there is some attempt to deal with these and other issues of complex human sexuality, but the conventions of the time only allow the scenes to go so far and then no further. It's a convenient excuse to suggest a lot of things but not have to show the audience the more unpleasant aspects of her character, like what she might be doing with young boys when she lacks proper supervision.

The interesting thing about the film is that Lilith seems to exist as a character who crosses boundaries that contemporary society frowns upon - but the film works hard not to judge her harshly for it. As she says about herself, she "wants to leave her mark of desire upon every living creature; if she were Caesar she'd do it with a sword. If she were a poet, she'd do it with words; but she's just Lilith so she has to do it with her body." She says some interesting things about Gods and their subjects on occasion, and when Warren Beatty's character discovers her having a tryst with a female fellow inmate and is enraged by it, she tells him words to the effect that a goddess has to love all her subjects, and that any one of them shouldn't be surprised when he discovers that.

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I agree with the (undeleted) comments in this post. Lilith flirted with two different boys -- one boy selling watermelon, the other with a Hula Hoop. She also felt free to make love to a woman even when she was having an affair with Vincent and apparently knew he was following her. She was beautiful and reckless and sick. The doctor said her chances of recovering from schizophrenia were "very small." The movie is sad, but it's also a tragedy -- Vincent crosses the line and pays a horrible price.

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I'm bewildered by the night-time scene where . . . .

Vincent sits at the foot of a statue in town
the women (Liluth and Miss Meaghan) walk by
Vincent follows at a distance of a few feet
they stand outside a movie theater* smoking cigarettes for a few minutes
as patrons exit (presumably after the movie ends) our threesome walk down the sidewalk, never having entered the movie theater

WTF?

The girls had a sexual assignation at a motel (under the pretense of going to the movies)? What if Dr. Brice or Dr. Lavrier questions them about the plot of the movie?


* with a poster that includes the word "Sodom"

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