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Am I the only person who likes this movie?


I can't believe how much crap this movie gets. Everything you read about it by critics, reporters, and even Wilder biographers pile on it. "Wilder's Nadir, Creative bankruptcy, blah, blah, blah..."

I could understand why it got such a cold reception when it was first released. It's content was bound to raise a few eyebrows. But really, is it anymore risque than the first couple James Bond films which preceded it? Noone bitches about that. It was the Hugh Hefner/Playboy era for cripes sake! It fits perfectly that ethos.

But if you get past that, you have a funny sex comedy that deftly balances high and low comedy, sweet and sour. In a way this movie reminds A LOT of Judd Apatow's movies, which manages a similar mix, although Wilder was far more cynical and Apatow is more conventional. Still, you can see the influence.

Is it Wilder's great masterwork? No. But I think it deserves a second look.



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Having just seen it, I'd say the primary problem with it is not its risque subject matter, but rather the way that Dino's rapist attitude is laughed off by the film. The whole movie is spent with Dino trying to sexually assault every woman he encounters, and by the end of the movie both the female leads have been forced to debase themselves by the men in their lives. This movie was just appalling, and not because it had sex in it. I feel like I'm the only person on this message board pointing this out. What gives, you guys?

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Yes exactly. Borderline sexual assault. Plus, since a rat packer is involved we get the usual depiction of an older woman as a swinish bitch who is beneath contempt. The script even gets her sexy daughter involved in piling on the old lady.
Just watch for the 'hateful old broad' in any movie starring 'Dino' or any of the gang--she's always there.

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Which older woman? The prudish bitches who wanted to put Polly and her colleagues out of work?

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No, you're not. We thought it was pretty great, actually

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i thought it was damn good, my only problem watching it is imagining how much better it would be WITH peter sellers (-: still an almost great flick

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"my only problem watching it is imagining how much better it would be WITH peter sellers"

I used to feel the same way, but having just rewatched the movie with a lot of distance between my last viewing of it I can say that Ray Walston absolutely killed his part. Knocked it out of the park. On paper it seems like no contest in a Sellers v. Walston bout, but I really love Walston's performance here. Sellers would have played it so differently (offhand, I can't think of a movie where he was anywhere near as manic as Walston was in Kiss Me, Stupid) that the speed of the movie would have been totally changed, and Wilder's tremendous timing is so fast here.

The movie takes a ton of crap, but it's easily the equal of any of Wilder's post-Apartment films - almost all of which are severely underrated. I'd seen it a few times before, but was shocked to find myself really laughing at this today. The construction of the gags, the rhythm of the jokes, the set-ups and pay-offs - for something that aspired to be so baudy it was clasically elegant. And Walston's madcap performance anchors the whole thing. Sellers might have nailed it in his own way - but that might have been the problem, it would have been in his own way. I remember reading that he and Wilder had an acrimonious working relationship anyway, and had it not been cut short by Sellers' health Sellers may have ended up on-screen as being totally independent from the rest of Wilder's finely-oiled machine. Who's to say? But I imagine a tug-of-war between two very different comic sensibilities and tempos.

As it stands, it's a gem in sore need of some legitimate reappraisal.

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i might have to watch it again and ill erase any thoughts of sellars beforehand so i dont go in tainted...actually the first time i saw it i didnt know sellers was supposed to play the role and i didnt mind ray in the role! i do love the movie, especially kim novak who was adorable, wilder always created great roles for wome all the way to avanti

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I watched it once when Turner Classic Movies screened it. It was all right, but I expected MUCH more! It would've been better (I think) if Marilyn Monroe had played the part that ultimately went to Kim Novak.

"You can't HANDLE the truth!" Jack Nicholson, "A Few Good Men."

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I thought Novak nailed the sadness and desperation of the character in a way that Monroe couldn't have, simply because she was Marilyn Monroe. Novak really got lost in that character - in a good way, in a way that a star of Monroe's magnitude couldn't have done. The only real "movie star" part in KMS is the Dean Martin role, and that's as it should be. Novak and Felicia Farr are the dual hearts of the movie, and Monroe would have just inherently overshadowed everybody and everything in her path - but for the wrong reasons. Monroe wouldn't have been as believable or as pathetic when the script called for it, or ultimately as sympathetic.

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Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. We'll never know, though; Marilyn's 1962 death put Kim in "The Catbird Seat." Pity.

NOTICE TO MITT ROMNEY: A BAD DAY FREELOADING, IS BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY AT WORK.

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I'm with you. Never seen this movie until tonight, and it's well worth seeing. I also don't get the Ray Walston hate. My favorite Uncle Martin is very good in this role. Also, not enough said about Felicia Farr these days. She was delightful.

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exactly I hated how after watching this fine film on TCM the Catholic nun girl who talked about it afterwards said it was a failure because that's what happens when you have a bad story. uh, what? this film has a fantastic and really interesting and full story that keeps you entertained pretty well.

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Ugh... no. This was a bad, bad movie in many, many ways.

The central premise is just not funny to me. Songwriting team wants a hit, but can't get one because they suck. So one of the writers decides to get his wife to have sex with a popular singer, then he'll sing their song! Laughing yet? I'm not.

Infidelity is not something I really find all that funny. Of course, the writer hires a prostitute to impersonate his wife, which requires humiliating and kicking the writer's wife out of her own home. Then she winds up in a casino, drunk and alone. Hilarious.

Ray Walston's casting is a problem. For one, he usually played sharp cookies, and having him play a moron wasn't really in his wheelhouse. For another, he honestly isn't good looking enough for the part. The part needed a conventional looking lead at least. Sellers or Tony Curtis, Dick Van Dyke, someone who could convincingly land Felicia Farr. Walston fails that test in spades. I'm wondering what Farr ever saw in this amoral, ugly nitwit. She shouldn't have taken him back.

Dean Martin was an example of overcasting. Way too much. Do I care about Dean Martin getting laid in the early 1960s? Not really. It brings a "punching down" quality to the flick. Martin shouldn't need the help.

Felicia Farr is basically treated like sh*t for most of the movie, it isn't fun.

It's a bad story, miscast and poorly told. Oh, then there's the B&W. Who wants to see Vegas in B&W in 1964? Just makes the movie that much more cheap and tawdry.

This flick is a bomb in every way from beginning to end.

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everything you said is negative to you was not negative to me. all I cared about ultimately was how entertaining it is and to me it was entertaining. I mean I was more bored while watching the apartment than I was when watching this. and this is my favorite Dean Martin performance and character. he was the most lovable that I've ever seen him in a movie. I loved kim novak's spunky, funky, spicy, peppy, unique character. I liked ray walston's character more than his characters in any other movie that I've seen him in. I liked all the main characters in this movie. and the story was really entertaining and really creative and original and wild in it's imagination. so there you go. this is a good movie.

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I really enjoyed it.

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