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Watch out - its incredibly boring



I was curious to watch another Dreyer film after seeing Vampyr and was terribly dissappointed. The photography is excellant, but there really is no story here. It goes on for a looooong time with endless boring conversations about if people still love each other and so forth. On and on and on and on. Wow - enough already. I put it on fast forward after 10 minutes or so (with the subtitles turned on) and did watch the rest of it to see if anything happens - and nothing ever does.

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I've just sat through this film on Film 4.

I was strangely intrigued by it. However, it is depressing, the acting stilted, the male actors are as ham as a pork chop, the 'heroine' self absorbed and tedious. The cinematography is lovely and there are a handful of nice visuals, but overall these characters needed a good slap and my life and life view has not been enhanced. It was simply a filmed talking shop, on and on about love. No one behaves like that.

I can't think of many people who could sit through this and most normal people will find it unbearably boring. I know some will leap onto my use of 'normal' is deliberate.

The experience confirmed my suspicion of films labelled 'masterpieces'.

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Yeah, it's pretty unbearable. There is a style, and a message, but come on! At least give us a bombshell for Gertrud, and a sex scene. There is nothing to see here--maybe it could work as live theater, but really it's best left on paper to be read.

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Kind of happy someone wrote a decent little review here in the forums otherwise I would have probably stayed up really late watching it. I don't mind having a watch but at this hour I thought it would be super special or something. Gertrud, you selfish twat!

The real thing that intrigued me though, was how Danish sounds like German but I feel like I can almost understand half of what is being said...

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"At least give us a bombshell for Gertrud, and a sex scene."

This is not Hollywood, this is arthouse (real) cinena. Probably too complex for people like you.

"Cinema is the most beautiful fraud in the world."

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At least give us a bombshell for Gertrud, and a sex scene.


I've read a lot of mindbumbing posts on IMDb that left me speechless but this is one of the worst.

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-You won't forget me now?

-No. I've got nobody else to remember.

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However, it is depressing


Oh yes, so horrible. A movie should never be depressing or down beat.

, the acting stilted


Stilted or simply different? Dreyer is hardly the first director to have his actors downplay overt emotional expression, Bresson and Antinioni coming to mind.

Except Dreyer had his actors convey their feelings through the face rather than voice, and they did so very effectively. You could put the film on mute/remove the subtitles and get the sense of the scene simply through looking into their eyes and the development of their facial expression throughout the scene (among other things-the mis en scene also added to this).

It's not traditional by today's standards (or even then) but it hardly makes it bad.

, the male actors are as ham as a pork chop


A very strange criticism considering their performances are pretty low key.

, the 'heroine' self absorbed and tedious.


How is a character tedious? Very strange remark.

but overall these characters needed a good slap and my life and life view has not been enhanced. It was simply a filmed talking shop, on and on about love. No one behaves like that.


First off, you as an individual have a very narrow scope of the world (as is the case for all individuals, no matter how travelled or experienced), so you cannot say with any definitiveness that no one behaves in a particular way. That's just pure arrogance.

Secondly, did you stop to think that maybe this is a stylistic choice on the director's part and not him attempting to be "realistic"? Why might a director decide to tell their story in this way? Much like Antiononi's films, Dreyer's films have a lasting visual power. One who watches closely and intently may not even realize how much the movie has impacted them until after they've finished watching it. However this does require the audience to actively engage and not just passively watch.

If Dreyer had made this movie in a more traditional mold, it would not have likely left much of an impression.

I can't think of many people who could sit through this and most normal people will find it unbearably boring. I know some will leap onto my use of 'normal' is deliberate.


Yes, of course it's deliberate, as you apparently feel the need to belittle people who enjoy this film, for what reason who knows.

An argument from popularity is not an argument. Most people are not chemistry experts, but is that really an argument against chemistry, or simply an observation that experts are, by definition, a minority?

"Gertrud" will probably not appeal to your typical, casual viewer, but that doesn't make the movie bad or lesser. The ability to appeal to a bigger audience is not indicative of quality one way or another. Unless you really want to argue what is popular is what is good, might makes right.


The experience confirmed my suspicion of films labelled 'masterpieces'.


Yes, it is very easy to confirm your own biases, especially when you are unwilling to bend from them to begin with.

There are molds of storytelling beyond the traditional method of mainstream Hollywood. You can either accept that and begin to judge a film based on it's aims, or accept that art house cinema just isn't to your taste and not to belittle those who clearly do have a love of such cinema.

"It's just you and me now, sport"-Manhunter

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There are comments in this film which from my life experience I share ie love is everything, you haven't lived unless you've loved yet love is all about suffering. As I understand, when the film was first shown to audiences it was poorly received. I can't understand how and why it's reputation has built so much over the last 50 years. Is Dreyer so beyond criticism? There are flashes of brilliance in this but it just doesn't come across as natural. Everything about it is measured, calculated and staged. It is horribly contrived to the extent that it almost crosses over into parody. Let it be said The Passion of Joan of Arc is one of the great silent films, the ending of Ordet is one of the great finales and Day of Wrath is the best of Dreyer in my opinion but Gertrud is a mess of a film.

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I was going to write something for you about the themes of the film and about Dreyer's aesthetic rigor and asceticism, but then I noticed you gave Ordet and Gertrud a 1, but awarded Captain America, Spiderman and Mad Max a 9, so I scrapped the idea right on the spot.

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-You won't forget me now?

-No. I've got nobody else to remember.

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