On Cockfighting


Many red-blooded Americans who eat chicken on a daily basis cringe at the thought of seeing a film depicting cockfights. They may be the same animal-lovers who consider bullfighting barbaric, to be sure. I must confess that I don’t like to see what this film shows too much of: cocks killing each other! But perhaps someone from Mexico or from someplace on Earth may be kind enough to explain the value of cockfighting. I can see all the ramifications of the palenques in shaping the character of many a real macho, but is cockfighting the only way such manly lessons can be obtained? I am open to hear any level-headed explanation on the subject, even though from the onset I can say I am adamantly against the practice. To be sure, the practice must be important for Mexicans in particular because it appears in many films and books to the point that Arturo Ripstein uses it in two of his films: El imperio de la fortuna [1986] and El coronel no tiene quien le escriba [1999]. The former is a remake of El gallo de oro and the latter is dedicated to the fathers of the men responsible for the film, who are said to be just like the coronel.

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For us, Mexicans, it is also a great mystery why you gringos don't like cockfighting but don't mind bombing iraqi kids in the name of "Freedom".

For a gun-loving, hunt-friendly country like the USA it is very strange that bullfights & cockfights are forbiden.

Maybe it's part of the many contradictions of your society.

You "think" that you are "civilized" for protect animal rights while you violate human rights in Guantanamo and in any war that you made.

Bullfight & cockfight are interesting because death is present. Otherwise it will be like the WWF, the American Wrestling clowns. Danger is the main "spice" of this two spectacles.

Mexicans thinks people who concern too much about the roosters or the bulls are sissys.

That is why we Mexicans still have this reputation of strong, rude, manly machos and you Americans...well...you cannot even find Osama yet...

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First of, my inquiry did not have as its purpose to be a put down on Mexicans, for cockfighting or for that matter bullfighting is practiced in other places of the world. In addition, being American has little to do with the issue I brought up on at least three bases: (1) I may or may not be from the USA; (2) if I were, being American does not necessarily preclude me from liking cockfighting; and (3) cockfighting was a not-so-uncommon practice in some parts of the USA until it became unlawful. Be that as it may, I am sure it is still being practiced clandestinely somewhere. I place cockfighting somewhere in the neighborhood of dog fighting, as seen in Amores perros. Further, I am sure cockfighting is NOT something most Mexicans like and support. Those who do must have their reasons, and that is what I wanted to find out. To simply say that men who enjoy cockfighting are real machos does nothing to enlighten those who want to learn more about what is the attraction in such events. And I am sure you have noticed that death is present not only in El día de los muertos celebrations but also in cemeteries all-over Mexico. With this in mind, do people really need to attend cockfights to be close to death? Or is it the thrill of violence and cruelty to animals what drive people to cockfights? Is it pride and the rush of betting money? Do not take me wrong, animals die in many cruel and unusual ways, especially at the hands of humans, but why do some people feel they have to make a spectacle of two cocks killing each other? The fact that I do not like cockfighting only states the obvious: I do not find it enjoyable to watch to birds destroying each other while people cheer them on. All I want to know is what drives otherwise sensible and intelligent men and women to enjoy cockfighting? Is cockfighting legal in Mexico? If it is illegal, why do you think it is?

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For us, Mexicans, it is also a great mystery why you gringos don't like cockfighting but don't mind bombing iraqi kids in the name of "Freedom".


Well said, amigo.

I don't understand what's wrong with this gringos. I mean they are bitching and moaning because some old movie shows a millenary tradition yet they don't have problem on bombing countries in order to steal their oil.

Is weird but in USA you can't buy a beer at the age of 18 but you can SLAUGHTER innocent civilians from exotic countries and to get a purple heart for that.
At the age of 18 you can't enter to some nightclubes but you can buy as many guns as you want.
At the age of 18 you can't buy a bottle of whisky but you can be sentenced to DEATH by the authorities. Being USA alongside with Japan the ONLY 1st world "democracies" that still applies that barbaric method. Actually most third world countries doesn't applies it neither. Only another "democracies" like Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, China, Cuba, Iraq, Russia, North Korea, etc. You are in a darn good company!
BTW if you ask me is a gazillion times worse to kill a human being than to kill a rooster or a bull.

I am not fan of Cockfights, neither a fan of Bullfights but I don't judge people who likes them as barbaric. Hemingway loved them, was him barbaric as well?
It's too hard to explain it for this people why some mexicans and people from other countries have certain customs.

Besides they are quite hypocrital, if you travels to Tijuana or Cancun and buys a ticket to some bullfight, half the people in the arena are gringos. Same in Pamplona, Spain.

I'd like to ask to this Kicojones dude if he feels more macho having an arsenal in his house and watching how some of his countrymen invades entire nations in order to get cheap oil?

Do you feel the same rage and anger when you watches some iraqi kid without legs and arms because some of your "intelligent" bombs was not "too smart" and destroyed an entire neighborhood?

Why you are always in wars, war after war, endless wars. Why? I don't understand your "traditions and customs" neither.

Enough! don't be so hypocrital! you have dog fights (Michael Vick name rings you a bell?), you have cockfighst as well (clandestinely), etc. Don't you have to kill cattle in order to get your hamburguers?

At least the bulls raised for bull fights gets to live up to 4-5 years, running freely in wide extensions of land, eating natural grass, not like your "hamburguers" who thanks to the massive use of steroids at the age of 2 are ready for the slaughterhouse. Besides they all are confined to very small areas, can't run free thru the land because ppl doesn't like nervous and muscoulous meat.
At least the in the "corridas" the Bulls have the chance to fight for their lives, how many of your "Big Macs" have that chance?

Instead of judging foreign cultures try to understand them. But not on a internet site! please go out and travel to those countries, watch those customs by yourself, ask your questions to the people who are involved in those activities. Think by yourself and then comeback and tell us your conclusions.

chau!

PS: Answering to your question on why Ripstein have shot 2 movies that involves cockfights: Because they are based on 2 stories by Juan Rulfo and Gabriel García Márquez that deals with this subject. That's why.

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You do a lot of talking for someone who has no idea what he is speaking of. The drinking age and the minumein age to join the military are not related. And frankly it should be that. I'm in the army now and have been for a while and the one thing I notice is that the only people I hear that crap from is from people not in the service.

It seems everyone brings up how dumb are smart bombs, they are not perfect no one said they were. but when bringing that up they seem to forget what iraq and iran did to each during their war, mexico murding their own civilians at a protest. Our bombs are not perfect but we do the best we can with what we got. We do not go out there trying to kill kids, but it is impossible not to have civilian casualties in war. You think this war was for cheap oil, you need to open your eyes. I've spoken to many Iraqis here and the truth is it is gotten much better here and it has much more potential then it ever did with sadaam. And yes, they have protested us being here, but what people don’t think of is that now they are free to do that without disappearing later on. You don't understand "our" custom of war. you need to grow up. Mexico's been in plenty of wars mostly with just mexico and is fighting a war right now with themselves. We Americans went into Iraq to free the people which we have done, all we are doing now is saving the Iraqi people from themselves. And we have put so much more into it then we got out of oil.

The beef we eat goes to much more then just hamburgers and we need food to live. raising any animal with the sole intent on killing it later is wrong. Not sure why you brought up dog fighting from what I know it is illegal.

The uniteds states is the most powerful country and has brought so much this world, cure for small pox, the airplane, air conditioning and the artificial heart, just to name a few. What has the great mexican people given us? Mexican food is not even all that great, because everyone knows the best mexican food in the world is in Texas.

all I am saying is that you need to open your eyes and your mind. Mexico has problems everyone knows this, does the united states need to go in there and fix it for you and are mexicans going stop running up here to this land and the people they hate so much and fix their own damn country. The united States is not perfect but there is no other country in the world that is anywhere near our level to talk *beep* about us.

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I din't want to post here but Billyrocha, somebody has to tell you that u are a complete a$$hole, sir.

Let me quote some of your idiocies:

Our bombs are not perfect but we do the best we can with what we got. We do not go out there trying to kill kids, but it is impossible not to have civilian casualties in war.


Not only your bombs are not that "smart", your leaders are also war criminals and brainwashed soldiers like you, are used to do the dirty job (ehmm, casualties of war, sorry) without any remorse. You make me puke!

But there's more:
We Americans went into Iraq to free the people which we have done, all we are doing now is saving the Iraqi people from themselves. And we have put so much more into it then we got out of oil.


Ok chicanito, you are freeding Iraqis from what? aren't you stealing their oil? Really? Then if Iraq wasn't sat over gazillions of oil barrels ur country would have done the same? really? then why u didn't anything in Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda, Congo, East Timor, Myanmar, etc? who armed Saddam in first place and encouraged him to attack Iran starting that bloody war that you have mentioned? Haven't you seen the pictures of Rumsfeld hugging Saddam?
Do the US army chose only idiots or u r an exception?

More?
The uniteds states is the most powerful country and has brought so much this world, cure for small pox, the airplane, air conditioning and the artificial heart, just to name a few. What has the great mexican people given us? Mexican food is not even all that great, because everyone knows the best mexican food in the world is in Texas.


Ok Little Captain America. Don't you know the contributions of México to the world? C'mon you are a *beep* chicano, u should know better!
1st of all who invented the concept of "Zero"? A: The mayans!
Who had the most accurate calendar until XX century? A: The mayans!
Who bult the biggest pyramids of the world? A: Not tyhe egyptians. The biggest pyramid is located in Cholula, Mexico.
Who built the tallest buildings in The Americas? A: the ancient mexicans, until the skyscrappers were bulit in New York at the end of XIX century the pyramids from central Mexico and The Mayan Area were the tallest buildings in The Americas.
Do u like "american" traditions like Rodeo? From whom you took it? From mexican "charreadas"! To start with brittish and irish immigrants were shepards, not cowboys, they learnt everything from mexican cowboys once they stole half México, from Texas to California and started breeding cattle. C'mon even spanish words like corral, rodeo, arena, latigo, etc are still common.
Didn't you know it, chicanito?
What about the food? avocados, tomatoes, beans, chocolate, vanilla, pumpkins, zuchinni, chillis, etc, etc.? Everything was harvested and improved during thousands of years by the ancient mexicans. Can you imagine a world without all those ingredients (and many more)? Can u imagine your Pizza?, Your ice cream? your BBQ? your chips? pffft!
Not to mention that Mexico has more places declared World Heritage by the UNESCO than USA. Actually only a handful of countries could say they have contributed more to the global cultural richness than México.
You know, "culture" is not only about invading culturally richer countries and killing millions of their inhabitants in the process, did you know that, chicanito?
USA has NO culture, we have more than 3000 years of continue civilization! 3000 thousand years!

Finally:

Mexico has problems everyone knows this, does the united states need to go in there and fix it for you and are mexicans going stop running up here to this land and the people they hate so much and fix their own damn country. The united States is not perfect but there is no other country in the world that is anywhere near our level to talk *beep* about us.

You know, the fact that you are a *beep* chicano makes your previous words even more pathetic. Your PARENTS or grandparents ran out there as well, otherwise you will still be one of those persons that you despises so much: A Mexican.
And so every immigrant who have arrived to USA in the last 2 centuries: All of them were running away from hungry and poverty: irishes, brittish, italians, jews, polish, chineses, koreans, dutchies, germans, greeks, indians (from India, of course).
Except for the native americans who were practically exterminated by the new white settlers and the US army, the rest moved to USA exactly for the same reason that latin-americans are doing it nowadays. They were no different, they were no better.

u r half-mexican, No matters if you have sold your soul to the devil, your DNA screams: MEXICAN! deal with that, chicanito!

I am a proud mexican, I know we have a lot of problems to solve, A LOT. But one thing I am not going to do is to sell my soul for money. Yes we have to deal with our northern neighbor that amongst other things is the greatest consumer of drugs in the world, and albeit Mexico don't produce cocaine and just a small ammount of heroin. We are in the middle of the road to the junkies who dwells in USA, and that's the main cause of our internal conflicts. If u weren't such drug-addicts, we wouldn't have so many problems down here with the bloody drug carteles.

Look, you are a chicano, how come you dare to come with such chauvinistic and jingoistic speech? YOU ARE NOT the best country of the world. U are only the richest one and the one with more weapons that's all!
People from european countries and Far Asia have a far better quality of life, better education system, better healthcare system, practically there are no poverty in those countries, neither some dudes grossly rich. People over there lives longer, is more educated, healthier and happier than the average US citizen. I am not inventing anything, read the reports from the UN.

Yes we in México have a lot of problems to solve, many of them are related to USA (like drugs traffic). "ur" country not only stole half of our territory on another unjust and unfair war. That country also has collaborated with dictators in order to throw away democratically elected presidents. Supported bloodthirsty dictators and authoritarian regimes all over the world, stopping democracy by doing so. Mexico is no exception. (Read Francisco I. Madero biography).

I am not proud of many things we mexicans do, we have to change a lot of things. But I am proud that in 200 years as a free nation we have NEVER invaded any other country! NEVER!

Ur mindset is typical of a brainwashed Jenizaro. Do you know what a Jenizaro was? (probably in english is written slightly different). Jenizaros were christian kids taken as slaves by the Otomans (Turks); they were raised as muslim soldiers teaching them to hate to the core their own people. When adults they were sent to kill another christians, They were always the cruelest and most fanatical amongst the otoman army. Christians were much more afraid from them than from true otomans.

You are that, a modern "Jenizaro", a half-mexican that gladly would kill his own blood just to please his new masters.

I pity you!

PS: I don't hate nor dislike US people in general. Actually I have and have had many Gringo friends (thanks God they ain't like you). But I DESPISE IGNORANT chauvinists that believes that their country is the greatest $hit on earth. Sadly USA since the Nazi Germany have produced the biggest number of these morons.
Yet I believe in the intelligent, non-racist US citizens who haven't that pathetic superiority complex. Intelligent, sensitive and wonderful people like Marthin Luther King, John Dewey or Walt Whitman. No warmongers like YOU and the idiot of Dubya.
Let's hope the new president shall respect different cultures and nations unlike his predecessor. Let's hope he could understand that we all are in the same ship. A ship called Earth.
You are not the best country of the world, chicanito. There is not such thing. That only exists in the twisted mind of megalomaniac leaders and their stupid followers. But one thing is true: Because of your economical power you have the potential to make the world a worse or better place. So far you've chosen wrong most the time. Let's hope the future could be better for all of us.

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Well, I'm not going to lie, you aren't the first one to call me an a-hole, by a long shot...

"Not only your bombs are not that "smart", your leaders are also war criminals and brainwashed soldiers like you, are used to do the dirty job (ehmm, casualties of war, sorry) without any remorse. You make me puke!"

I can tell you this, there is a lot of remorse. Soliders have hearts too. I am not brainwashed, by anyone. I am a commucations sgt, I make sure every here can talk to eachother and their familes. Sadam Hussan was a war crimianal, ours are not. We did what other coutries wanted to do but were afraid too. Just a few months ago I was talking to a local, gratful for us being here, his exact words were to me was "when the Americans came here they brought us freedom and food". So don't tell me that we aren't being appreatied, because unlike you I can see the change with my own eyes and talk to the people my own self. and I make up my own mind.

"Ok chicanito, you are freeding Iraqis from what? aren't you stealing their oil? Really? Then if Iraq wasn't sat over gazillions of oil barrels ur country would have done the same? really? then why u didn't anything in Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda, Congo, East Timor, Myanmar, etc? who armed Saddam in first place and encouraged him to attack Iran starting that bloody war that you have mentioned? Haven't you seen the pictures of Rumsfeld hugging Saddam?
Do the US army chose only idiots or u r an exception?"


I'm afriad you don't aren't familer with Iraqi histroy. Iraq was never a unified country, it used to be province under the Ottamans before Iraq became Iraq. but it's people all have deep cultures and long histories, that the only way to unit them was the sword, which was what sadam did. Iraqis have never had a real demorcey and didn't know how to use freedom. It will take time. Right now we want the exact same thing they do, a strong and independent Iraq. Right now it is all on them, they have control of there country but the are not ready for us to leave and they know it.

why did your country not help those places out? I never said the united states was perfect, if you did nothing in the first place then you have no right to harrass the person next to you for not doing nothing either. Sadam went into Iran at his own free will it had nothing to do with us. It was during the war that we chose sides, like most countries did, we help some but it was nothing to commited, if it were we Iraq would have won.

The mayans did have the concept of zero before anyone else. But mayans do not condider them self mexican. most live in the southern states and even they want their independece. but that is besides the point. the mayan concecpt did not have any contribution do the rest of the world, because it stayed in Mesoamerica. It was the Hindu zero that reached Europe and contributed to mathmatics and sceitenic advacements. and yes again you are right, the mayans also had a very accuet calader, but that does not matter because no nation in the world uses it, it is an artifact and noting more. I know all about the pyramids in mexico, and the one your talked about is on the new 7 wonders of the world list. but i still think you need some help. How about the aztec farming methiod? that was far better then what anyone else in the world had at the time.

The 1st rodes were in Texas and it is our national sport, influces were from two places Mexico and Spain, but it was Texas that made it into the sport it is today.

"What about the food? avocados, tomatoes, beans, chocolate, vanilla, pumpkins, zuchinni, chillis, etc, etc.? Everything was harvested and improved during thousands of years by the ancient mexicans. Can you imagine a world without all those ingredients (and many more)? Can u imagine your Pizza?, Your ice cream? your BBQ? your chips? pffft!"

those are just foods that grew out of the ground, any culture that would have been there would have done the exact same thing they did.

"You know, "culture" is not only about invading culturally richer countries and killing millions of their inhabitants in the process, did you know that, chicanito?"

and what coutries have we invaded? of the handfull of colinies we ever had, we gave their indepence back. and what millions have we ever killed!?


"They were no different, they were no better." I never said they were.

"u r half-mexican, No matters if you have sold your soul to the devil, your DNA screams: MEXICAN! deal with that, chicanito!"

I do not despise Mexicans at all. I despise Ignorince.

Mexican is a nationality, not a race. I am mixed on both of my parents sides, according to my dna I'm a mullto/irish/english/chearkee. I am not a chicano, I am Tejano and proud of it and so is my father.

" If u weren't such drug-addicts, we wouldn't have so many problems down here with the bloody drug carteles."

I don't do any drugs and you'd wouldn't have a problem with the cartles if you'd take care of them, it's mexicans that are selling their souls for money not me.

"People from european countries and Far Asia have a far better quality of life, better education system, better healthcare system, practically there are no poverty in those countries, neither some dudes grossly rich. People over there lives longer, is more educated, healthier and happier than the average US citizen. I am not inventing anything, read the reports from the UN."

I've lived in Europe, their healthcare system is communist, and I can tell you that the Germans, British, French, Spanish ect... are not any smarter then Americans. I don't know where you read that, But I've been there have british, German Friends, there is povertiy there and the rich. take the french they have riots every few years, if europe is so great then why are they so mad?

"I am not proud of many things we mexicans do, we have to change a lot of things. But I am proud that in 200 years as a free nation we have NEVER invaded any other country! NEVER!"

no you haven't. But you have been invaded twice. once by the French, now that is embrassing... Besides mexico was two busy fighting mexico, to invade another country. Mexico has never been strong enough to invade anyone. Mexico never did, because mexico couldn't.


"You are that, a modern "Jenizaro", a half-mexican that gladly would kill his own blood just to please his new masters."

I had to chuckle at that one. I am my own master and I don't need to kill anyone for anything.


I am not a racist, but I do love my coutry just as you love yours. I do believe the United States of America is the greatest in the world, but then again the British are much more aragent then me and love the U.K just as you love mexico. Does that make them right, me wrong? No, we all are. the way I feel about my country is my opoion and i will never try to press my bliefs on others. but I will express them.

"Because of your economical power you have the potential to make the world a worse or better place. So far you've chosen wrong most the time. Let's hope the future could be better for all of us."

Iraq and Afganstan are some good new starts, they will prosper. I can see the changed everyday.


now Texas WAS not stolen by the united states, you need to look your histroy. I'm to tired to tell it all.

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You know what chicanito, I could post another message as large as the previous one in order to rip apart each one of your pathetic comebacks but I won't (i.e. you failed to explain why Saddam --the talibans as well-- first was armed and supported by his allies from USA just to be demonized later by them. Saddam wasn't any better when he was your main ally!).
All what you have posted is based on mere ignorance, an inferiority complex (now I'm convinced that yours is the opposite to a superiority complex) and jingoism. Makes no sense to keep arguing with such an ignorant and brainwashed mercenary who knows nothing about the history of his own country let alone about the history of a much richer nation (culturally-wise) like Mexico.

So sad to see that people like you exists in this world. You are just the pet of a rich master. You are a true Jenízaro (BTW the english term is "janissary"). At least we can say you are a grateful pet... so far.

I am just gonna quote one of your biggest idiocies, this gem has to be preserved for posterity!

and what coutries have we invaded? of the handfull of colinies we ever had, we gave their indepence back. and what millions have we ever killed!?


Pocho: go phuk yourself! U cannot twist the history in such blatant and shameless way, even a 1st grade student should know better about what you have done in the past around the world from Nicaragua to Viet Nam!!! (Let's not forget that you almost exterminated native americans). BTW you never returned Texas, Nuevo México nor California and Puerto Rico is still treated like a colony.

I could go on and on, but as I said before there's no reason to keep arguing with such an a$$hole. Yes I believe you when you say that I am not the first one who calls you that. I have already done it twice and I think I could do it 1000 times more easily.

Keep living in your own paradise of ignorance and cheap jingoism

BTW Janissaries ended betraying their otoman masters. In 30 years or so, when most economists predicts that China will become the richest country on earth you may do the same: To bow before a new master. That's what people without identity (nor proud about their roots) does.

¡Hasta nunca, asesino de mierda!

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Your name calling and insults only prove your lack of maturity. There is nothing you can do or say to offend me, I know who I am.

"(i.e. you failed to explain why Saddam --the talibans as well-- first was armed and supported by his allies from USA just to be demonized later by them. Saddam wasn't any better when he was your main ally!)."

We were friendly towards Saddam for that short period because of the threat of Iran. They had just had a revolution by religionis fanatics and they were very anti-west. But we didn't force Saddam to do anything, beside they didn't like each other much anyway. All we did was choose sides.
as for the Taliban, we both wanted the same thing they did at the time. An Afghanistan that was free of soviet infulnce. we helped them and hoped that they would help themselves.


Pocho: go phuk yourself! U cannot twist the history in such blatant and shameless way, even a 1st grade student should know better about what you have done in the past around the world from Nicaragua to Viet Nam!!! (Let's not forget that you almost exterminated native americans). BTW you never returned Texas, Nuevo México nor California and Puerto Rico is still treated like a colony.

and what shame should we have? those were different times, everyone lived under the fear of the sovit union and communion. Vietnam was in reaction to that fear and so was countless others in the Americas. and is that something to ashamed of? no. Communion was wrong and we did what we could to stop it.

But what we did to the Native Americans is something to be ashamed of.

Why would we return that land. Mexico lost it in a clean fight. Not only does Mexico not invade other countries but it is unable to put up any defense either. Now that is something to be proud of. Besides that land was only part of Mexico in name only, the land was never settled. Califonina and New Mexico were only Mexican by inheritance. None were really Mexican, they were all conquered by Spain. and Mexico was unable to hold on to them. Puerto Rico is a common wealth and it is not treated like a colony. colonies are used to plunder the natives and there resources, such as the British colony of India. Puerto Rico is treated just as another city, they are all American Citizens and can join the American army if they like. Puerto Rico does not want their independence, they have voted on it many times and will vote on it again, but each time they vote no.

well Texas is a different story. I asked you to look into, you wrongfully thought you knew everything.

Mexico was unable to settle the region, so they issued out land grants to Americans to help them settle it and all was good. It was when Santa Anna came to power, that problems started. The flag flow during the Texas war of Independence was not the flag flown now, or the American. It was similar to the Mexican flag, only instead of the eagle it was 1824. When Santa Anna came to power he changed the constitution in 1824, the texicans wanted the old constitution back along with countless other Mexicans in Mexico, but they were unable to do anything about it. During the war, it was both Texicans and Tejanos fighting side by side. Santa Anna set Mexico back many steps and during his time in Texas he was kicked out of office. Texas had the problem with Santa Anna and his constitution, not Mexico and defiantly not Mexicans. After the war Texas became an independent nation for nearly a decade.

"BTW Janissaries ended betraying their otoman masters. In 30 years or so, when most economists predicts that China will become the richest country on earth you may do the same: To bow before a new master. That's what people without identity (nor proud about their roots) does."

I believe the United States is the greatest country in the world because it is. Not because we are richest, which we aren't. That title goes to Luxembourg
in Europe.

Trust me, China will need a lot more time to become the richest country in the world, it is either you misread that article or you making it up. I am an American, Mexico has done nothing for me or my family. I do not hate Mexico or Mexicans. I am not a brainwashed solider, we are never told to blidly obey orders like to movies want to make you believe. You can call me all the names you want but that won't change a thing.

I still don't get the Janissaries thing. I was born an American in the United States I know my roots and embraced them, I know my culture and live it. I know who I am.

you need to grow up and see the rest of the world.

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I thought that at least you were a literate person. A fascist one but literate.

Again I was proven wrong by you, you are not only a shame for mankind, but also a complete a$$hole (that's not an insult is what you are, I am just defining you) and somebody who can't understand the value of a human life. Poor bastard.

Scumbags like you lives everywhere, but sadly in The US and A seems their number have incresed dramatically.

Let's see another one of your moronical comments:

and what shame should we have? those were different times, everyone lived under the fear of the sovit union and communion. Vietnam was in reaction to that fear and so was countless others in the Americas. and is that something to ashamed of? no. Communion was wrong and we did what we could to stop it.


Well, seems you have been brainswashed to the extent to believe that a small nation in the other side of the world like Viet Nam was a real threat for USA, therefore I am not amazed at the fact that for you the lives of about 3 million vietnamites, cambodians and laosians (mostly women, kids, elder people) massacred in the name of the Holly Dollar means NOTHING to you.
BTW you lost the war, the Vietnamites kicked your ass and nothing happened. The world didn't turn red.
If US people weren't as ignorant and fanatical as you are, 3 million of human beings would be still alive, amongst us.
But for you seems a vietnamite or a laosian aren't really human beings therefore to have murdered all those peasants from the other side of the world is nothing to be ashamed of!

I can't describe how dehumanized you are. You are not a human being, you are a *beep* animal, worst than an animal! you are a fascist of the worst kind, Plus ILLITERATED! "communion"? "communion"? If you weren't such a scumbag you'd be actually quite funny!

No wonder why US students had the poorest results in the last global surveys made by The National Geographic Society (and you couldn't accuse National Geographic about being "communionists!")

BTW what's wrong with "communion". Catholic kids takes their first "communion" at the age of 8-10, and later keep taken "communion" for the rest of their lifes! What's wrong with "communion"?


Take a look at one of the last surveys made by The National Geographic Society. This is the sad reality of the "best country on earth" (according to you, of course).

What We Found

Americans are far from alone in the world, but from the perspective of many young Americans, we might as well be. Most young adults between the ages of 18 and 24 demonstrate a limited understanding of the world, and they place insufficient importance on the basic geographic skills that might enhance their knowledge.

Young Americans answer about half (54 percent) of all the survey questions correctly. But by and large, majorities of young adults fail at a range of questions testing their basic geographic literacy.

* Only 37% of young Americans can find Iraq on a map—though U.S. troops have been there since 2003.
* 6 in 10 young Americans don't speak a foreign language fluently.
* 20% of young Americans think Sudan is in Asia. (It's the largest country in Africa.)
* 48% of young Americans believe the majority population in India is Muslim. (It's Hindu—by a landslide.)
* Half of young Americans can't find New York on a map.

These results suggest that young people in the United States—the most recent graduates of our educational system—are unprepared for an increasingly global future. Far too many lack even the most basic skills for navigating the international economy or understanding the relationships among people and places that provide critical context for world events.


And you are the best country on earth? Keep doing such a great job, please!

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/roper2006/findings.html


I have show you evidence that proves that you are not only an illiterate bastard but also a fanatical chauvinist with no more brains than a squirrel.

I am tired of you. I am tired of your stupidity that doesn't knows limits. I am tired of your fascistoid jingoism, I am tired of your lack of humanism and moral values. I hope that in the real life you don't believe all that $hit, I really hope so, because the opposite would mean than any beast is more evolved than you!

You makes me puke, and you makes me laugh at the same time, chicanito.

I will end this battering not because I am getting tired of kicking your illiterate a$$ but because I lose thousands of brain cells each time I read your crap!

So long bastardo! Make a favor to the mankind and commit suicide by eating a ton of nachos with extra-cheese

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I never justified what happened in Vietnam, I said it was a different time. Yes, the Red threat was what people really believed back then, in the United States, Europe and asia, it was not just Americans.

"But for you seems a vietnamite or a laosian aren't really human beings therefore to have murdered all those peasants from the other side of the world is nothing to be ashamed of!"

You have no idea how wrong you are. you know nothing about me, my morals and what I believe and you shouldn't pretend like you do.

Kind of funny though. The evidence you brought really proves that I'm not illiterate, because I knew all of the answers to the questions.

As for our school system, I never said the united states is perfect. But trust me the problems of United States as a whole stacks up no where near as high as other countries like say Mexico do. European countires my have a better understanding of the world then the United States and speak more languages but that whole contienet is much smaller and more packed then the united states is. Their borders are open, so langage will travel much easier. I can tell you this most Europeans are much much more arrogant and have stronger sense of superiority then me or most Americans. The British for intense wish they still have there empire and they know they are better then the rest of Europe.

'BTW what's wrong with "commuion". Catholic kids takes their first "communion" at the age of 8-10, and later keep taken "communion" for the rest of their lifes! What's wrong with "communion"'

I meant communism, sorry. Don’t ask how that happen I was tired.

but I guess the point of this is that with all of countries in the world there is not one that stacks up to the united states, the rights we guarantee our citizens, the freedoms we all have, because of our constitution, and the great achievements of its people. And if that offends you, I am not sorry.

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but I guess the point of this is that with all of countries in the world there is not one that stacks up to the united states, the rights we guarantee our citizens, the freedoms we all have, because of our constitution, and the great achievements of its people.


Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.

E pur si muove!

Chicanito: if in the future you are fired, don't hesitate about asking a job as Punching Bag. Few people could take such an ugly beating and still to be stupid enough to comeback for more and more!

you are a pathetic thing, truly pathetic! I won't abuse of your mental retardation anymore. Is not funny when is so easy...

agur!

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Easy really? you mean by calling me names? you have proved nothing. but your own ignorance. I admitted that the Mayans and Aztecs had great achievements, but they did not contribute to the west. I explained to you how Texas was not stolen by the United States. Despite your beliefs. I know you know that all of California, Arizona and New Mexico were much better off as a part of the United States then Mexico. And when the United States did invade Mexico, we didn't kill millions of people, enslave them, even so that was a long time ago. The United States does not plunder and we do not go out trying to kill women and children and we do a better job at not doing it then most other countries. I've said that Mexico wouldn't have a cartel problem if they would not sell their souls for money, as you put it and take care them by their own selfs. You have refuted nothing. all you did was get frustrated and call me names.

I am not a racist and I do not judge people unlike you. You are the only person that has ever called me illiterate, congratulations for that! No one who has ever known me, whether friend or foe has never called me a-hole. I am not fascist, I believe in the constitution and the rights it holds.



but I will take your advice when I get fired from McDonalds and can't get another job I'll put an ad out in the paper about being a punching bag. It'll be really hard for an illiterate solider like me to get one of those classly jobs like working at the shoe store in the mall... Thank you for the advice.

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