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Was the President Republican or Democrat?


If the president was a Republican, he would have been reassured of being re- elected. A Democrat would have a hard campaign in front of him. Imagine being his campaign manager and trying to prepare for the debates. Rough! Would the Red Sox win the next world series? Would the NY Giants lose the NFC East? All these questions should be answered in a sequel. And what exactly DID happen to Gen. Black? Was he able to complete his mission? We didn't see no explosions. Man, watching this makes me appreciate dr strangelove more, it gave you your money's worth

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I think you are missing the point.

The point being that with the Yankees out of the series, it's a free for all for the pennant.

No wait. No it's, when NY gets bombed, US can go and invade whoever the #*$( they want to!

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So, if a Republican nuked the US they would get re-elected? I'm not sure where to start on that one, but basically no, I think not. Republican or Democrat, if he chose to nuke New York, he'd be hung before the next election. He would never be able to prove that Professor Groeteschele was wrong, that it was a necessary sacrifice. That was the part I found most unrealistic about the movie, that the president would choose such a course of action, and that the generals or the pilots would carry it out. Sure, the US military respects the civilian leadership, but surely there are limits, and Fonda's president crossed them.

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The point being made in the film was that during the Cold War there was a driving need shared by both the US & the USSR to at least equal one another in nuclear capacity (altho both really wanted to surpass the other by a large margin!) The Fail-Safe President made his offer to assure equality between the two super powers. NYC was chosen because the population was equal to that of Moscow. Remember the Fonda also knew that his wife was in NYC. (Please don't anyone say his bombing NYC was just to get rid of his wife!)Either way some city in the US was going to get bombed in retaliation. By offering to destroy NYC to equal the Moscow bombing was to keep WW3 from beginning.

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The military respects civilian leadership but in real life would the President find somebody to carryout such a mission? An interesting question, but I would say probably. On a much smaller scale the same thing almost happened on 9/11. The last passenger plane was going to be shot down by the military, sacrifice some to save more. I wonder how the pilot who would have to do such a duty would deal with it? Along the same lines how do any bombers during any war deal with their actions? To paraphrase Marlon Brando from Apocalypse Now "We drop fire from planes on women and children, but if I write the word *beep* on the airplane it is considered obscene."

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The attempt to intercept flight 93 would be rather different than nuking New York. At that point, Flight 93 was a weapon, and its users intent fairly clear even if their destination was not. New York on the other hand was not placing anyone in immediate danger. Also, while all deaths are a tragedy, the scale is so much higher. If the US president ordered the deaths of more Americans than have ever been killed in all wars, there is no way he'd be forgiven. I really doubt he'd be obeyed. Military men would not blow up the country they sacrifice to defend.

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The order would have absolutely been followed. There is simply no doubt about it. Read more into Cold War history, all sorts of amazing contingencies were planned for and practiced (ie: the soldiers were psychologically trained to deal with the outrageous consequences of Nuclear War).

Start with The Day After World War III......

http://www.amazon.com/Day-After-World-War-III/dp/0670258806

A truly chilling look at the real plans to "win" a nuclear war.

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The pilot of the plane ordered to shoot down the civilian airliner on 9/11 was going to do his mission; even if it meant that he himself would have died. He had no weapons on his fighter (it was on a training mission) so, as he later said, he decided to collide with the airliner with one of the fighter plane wings hitting the root (base) of an airliner wing. It would have destoyed the fighter plane as well as the airliner, but the pilot may have been able to eject...or maybe not. In any case, he was going to do his mission in whatever way it took.

Soon after he received his order he was then notified that the airliner had already crashed. It was the last airliner on 9/11.

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While not exactly nuking, Bush did.

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Unless I've missed something, no one responded to the question about Black. In the film, and book, he kills himself with a poisoned needle, clearly unable to live with his action. He also has destroyed his family, I believe, if I remember correctly. Yes, he did drop the bomb. Surely we don't have to see the explosion!

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Warning: Spoilers in the following text

Concerning the need to see the explosion(s):

The movie "Testament" gives an "implied" view of a nuclear explosion. The H-Bomb presumably takes out San Francisco but the town the movie is set in is far enough away that they only see the intense light of the flash (simulated using very powerful flood lights streaming in through a living room window).

The movie "The Day After" does show nuclear detonations; fairly realistically for the special effects technology of that day and age. One can tell they are "painted onto the film", but are still somewhat spectacular.

"Terminator II" used more advanced special effects to realistically show the effects of a 1 megaton bomb exploding with downtown Los Angeles as ground center.

But, the biggest "jolt" I ever received from watching a movie concerning nuclear war was simply hearing that high pitched shrill as the Ambassador's phone melted. Utterly devestating when heard the first time. Total shock.

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Well, lets see, it is 1964, so apparently if the film was in normal timeline, President Johnson was in the Whitehouse. Harold Wilson (unless I'm mistaken) was in number 10.

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"But, the biggest "jolt" I ever received from watching a movie concerning nuclear war was simply hearing that high pitched shrill as the Ambassador's phone melted. Utterly devestating when heard the first time. Total shock."
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artisicengineer, me too. I saw this when I was a child and that scene has stuck with me for over 40 years. The president and the ambassador calmly talking as our bomber approaches and the then phone shrieking was almost too much to bear. Growing up in a town with a national laboratory dedicated to the design and construction of a better bomb it was nothing to rub elbows with cowboys and nuclear physicists' kids in school. We thought nothing of it. What a strange and terrible time that was.

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The shrill freaked me out, too, the first time I saw "Fail Safe," especially combined with Fonda's look of utter despair. That short scene was just huge.

Notice something, though? Just before it happens, the ambassador says, "I can hear explosions from the northeast. The sky is very bright..." In reality, he would've been vaporized before he heard the explosions.

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In the novel(which I highly recommend)the President is John F. Kennedy and the story takes place in 1967(the book was published in 1962).

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I was under the impression that Fonda's President was of the Whig party.

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Good one.

Anyone who thinks that it was unrealistic for a U.S. officer to have carried out the bombing of New York has a very poor understanding of:

1) Military training
2) The Cold War

The President was from the None Of The Above party.

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I assume that the president in "Fail Safe", Democrat or Republican, was in his second term. As a lame duck, he wouldn't be concerned about the political repercussions of nuking New York.

If he was in his first term, it would have to have been a republican. No democrat running for re-election can afford to write off that many votes.


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Wow. Madness. The President is a hairsbreath away from the end of the world, and you're talking about whether he can afford to lose some votes when he comes up for reelection.

Maybe he could have commissioned a poll to find out what he should have done. Then all the pollsters could have gotten to hear that squeal on the telephone...

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I doubt that it does really matter which political party the president was in. Since the real life president was a Democrat in 1964, the president in "Fail-Safe" was perhaps a Democrat too. The Wikipedia entry on the NOVEL "Fail-Safe" also mentions that the authors seem to have modeled the president after John F. Kennedy, who was president at the time the novel was written: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail-Safe_%28novel%29. But as I said, it doesn't really matter in my opinion.

As for the president's political fate, I always imagined that he chose to resign shortly after the end of the movie's events. Personally, I think his decision to nuke New York was the right (or the least bad) thing to do. But justified or not, you can't deny the fact the he just ordered the death of several million Americans, including his own wife. And since the "Fail-Safe" president seemed to be a man of principles, I think he resigned from office at the earliest possible moment... but probably not after the immidiate crisis was resolved (co-ordinating help for New York, maybe convincing the Soviet government to pursue radical disarmament on both sides). Of course, if he was still in his first term and the next election was scheduled soon he might have just pledged not to run for re-election.

A related question is whether the Congress had pushed for an impeachment of the president. But I think in that case a Nixon-esque scenario could have occured: The president resigns and his vice-president pardons him.

Hopefully, the events of this movie would also have lead to the end of the Cold war, since both sides were shown the consequences of a nuclear attack and how easy it is to accidentally trigger an third world war. But then again, people are stupid, so who knows...

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In the book, the President was pretty certain the people of the United States would drive him out of office if New York City had to be destroyed. Though the movie showed scenes that implied that New York was destroyed shortly after the suicide of General Black; the book did not end that way. Instead, just after General Black dies one of the crewmembers informs the President that the bombs have been dropped and that General Black has killed himself. The novel ends with the President then recommending General Black for the Medal of Honor. The presumption is this is the last act of the President while still in office (this still being just before the bombs had detonated over New York City).

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Actually, in the novel, the crewmember informs the President that the four bombs exploded over New York. When the President indicates that he will award Gen. Black a posthumous Medal of Honor, the bombs had just detonated moments before 5,000 feet over the city.

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SPOILER BELOW!!!

I grew up with this movie, and it was always assumed that Henry Fonda was playing John Kennedy as the president, even though the movie was made in 1964 after Kennedy was assassinated. If you'll notice, at the end of the movie the president is asked where the First Lady is, and he responds "New York". They cut away and show her, and she looks remarkably like Jackie Kennedy.

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I think that the question is off the point because the film implies the president will finish a shattered man who will only complete his duty until the crisis is over and then leave office, perhaps in order to commit suicide (and who could blame him). If this had happened on Dubya's watch, I am sure Rove would have cooked up some way to spin this to the public to show Bush as MUJ MACHO, to stay on message that he saved American lives, and to ask the American public whether they believe a wimpy Democrat would have been up to the task. Actually, I think Bush would have taken the advice to go ahead with a full-scale first strike. Thank God he became President only after the end of the Cold War!

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Party affiliation aside, the president wasn't worried about re-election but what the proper course of action should be. Doing anything less than what he did would not have been just.

While it is clear in the movie that the USSR contributed to the situation by jamming radio frequencies, the ultimate issue is clearly stated in a converstaion between the president and the premier: We let our machines get out of hand.

That is a danger that is still with us.

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1. Probably a democrat since Henry Fonda played him :)
2. Red Sox would win since NY will have been obliterated
3. Gen Black completed his mission. We did not have to "see" any explosion. We heard the hissing sound of the melting telephone.

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if the pres was a republican, he would have ordered the all out attack.

peter fonda: dem
walter mathau: repub



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You mean Henry Fonda.

Peter Fonda would have got on his motorbike and said 'I'm getting outta here'

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<<if the pres was a republican, he would have ordered the all out attack.

peter fonda: dem
walter mathau: repub >>

Exactly what I was thinking. Only a Democrat president would agree to bomb New York to make amends for the bombing of Moscow. A Republican would have said to the Soviet leader, 'look here you pinko commie bastard, just be thankful we don't bomb your whole goddamn country, ya Rooskie sonofabitch!'

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Democrat, after all, it was a liberal Democrat who was the only one to order the fropping of the bomb...

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