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This crap was anti-Goldwater propaganda


Well of course. It premieres in NY in October, 1964, RIGHT before the 1964 presidential election.

Color me shocked that leftists use movies as propaganda!

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Well of course. It premieres in NY in October, 1964, RIGHT before the 1964 presidential election.



Color me shocked that leftists use movies as propaganda!

If this was propaganda, it was from the right (especially the professor was a bigoted, jingoistic chauvinist; i.e. a conservative).

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professor was a bigoted, jingoistic chauvinist


I do so enjoy children trying to pigeon-hole people. Too funny and predictable.


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Oh, it's you.I was going to try and make an intelligent response to your blather, but seeing who I'm actually responding to, I might as well try to defend Glenn Becks sanity.

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What's a conspiracy theory?? The movie premiered RIGHT before the 1964 presidential election. That's not a theory, nor a coincidence. It's a fact, much like the fact that you're a screaming imbecile. :)

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Of course the film was made and released to effect an election. Nobody in their right mind can debate that so why bash the person who says the obvious?

Seven days in may was released in February which had the same objective but was at least more fair and less obvious.

It is hard to imagine living in a constricted world in which all my information outside of print comes from Hollywood and the networks. And people wonder why conservatives love foxnews?

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Well of course. It premieres in NY in October, 1964, RIGHT before the 1964 presidential election.

Color me shocked that leftists use movies as propaganda!
You post your indignation as if the film impacted the election. What were you hoping for? That Goldwater would've gotten more than 52 electoral votes?

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I'd have voted for him.

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The movie was released in 1964, but the book was published in 1962. The President was modeled after JFK. I'm watching it right now on AMC and don't see it as political. It is a cold war horror movie.

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The OP is a moron. The book was written when Goldwater was a little-known Senator from Arizona. And the movie was in production long before Goldwater was the Republican nominee.

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"The book was written when Goldwater was a little-known Senator from Arizona. And the movie was in production long before Goldwater was the Republican nominee."

And the movie was held and released JUST IN TIME for the 1964 presidential election. Like I said.

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I don't believe this was a propaganda film necessarily. And I don't think it was released "just-in-time" for 1964.

The message of this film was not to let our machines get out of our control. It's one thing to build for a deterrence. It's another to completely automate things to the point that it takes the Responsibility out of the hands of everyone involved.

On the contrary, I'd say it's quite Conservative in approach, because we're all into Responsibility. Leftist usually want to avoid it altogether, especially if things go badly for them.

I've seen many of the scenarios, responses, and plans considered in the event of a Soviet first strike that killed the President, VP, and several other people, and the concern was that we might all be annihilated in succeeding strikes before we got a decision from the next in the line of Presidential succession authorizing the release of nuclear weapons. That's partly what Dr. Strangelove was all about, to automate systems to the point that humans end up taking orders from a machine because they're trained to.

The scene where they got Colonel Grady's wife on the phone at Omaha was a great example. The Colonel stopped thinking, and resorted to his training. I don't blame him, really, because he was being shot at, he's flying near the deck, and he was moments away from the target. But if he managed to think about it, he probably would've considered that the odds of the Soviets knowing exactly which plane he was flying, know who precisely it was that was in command of it, and have someone pretend to be his wife at that exact moment would all be astronomical.

The point of that was irony. Grady himself said he preferred the human to the machine, but he resorted right to his training when the heat was on. He became what he detested, a machine rather than a man.

Responsibility is a great and terrible thing, but we must shoulder it. Individually. And we can't shirk from it. We need to crave it, rather than avoid it. That's a very conservative message.

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"I don't believe this was a propaganda film necessarily. And I don't think it was released "just-in-time" for 1964. "

What you think is wrong. The film was released on October 4, 1964 in NYC; the presidential election was a month away.

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Yes Fail-Safe was released not long before the 1964 elections. But the timing had more to do with commercial interests rather than some designed anti-Goldwater response. To say its fall release was just political is a post hoc ergo propter hoc argument. It is not as if the topic of nuclear annihilation was something new. As someone observed above, the novel was published in 1962. The Cuban Missile Crisis occurred in October 1962. Dr. Strangelove was released earlier in the year by the same studio. (More on this in a moment.)

Now President Johnson's "Daisy" commercial was unleashed in September of 1964 and that was a heavy-handed attempt to conflate Senator Goldwater's politics with the politics of mutually assured destruction. But it is dubious to assume that Columbia decided to rush the release of Fail Safe in order to pile on to some kind of anti-Goldwater sentiment.

Columbia had the movie in the production at the same time as Dr. Strangelove. Stanley Kubrick was not pleased with the prospect of topical competition. Columbia released Dr. Strangelove in January 1964 and delayed the release of Fail-Safe until the fall of that year. As a matter of fact, Senator Goldwater was not a lock for the Republican presidential nomination until the summer of 1964.

Columbia owned a property with a distinguished director and cast. The movie was topical. Dr. Strangelove was a commercial success. (For what it is worth, the movie Fail-Safe did not match that commerical success although it received good notices from film critics.) It was bound to be release some time.

Fail-Safe is not anti-Goldwater although it is anti-real-politik. The "Daisy" commercial clearly was ant-Goldwater. The former was a sober assessment of what could happen if technology got out of control. Good men with good intentions committed themselves to terrible deeds with awful consequences. The latter tried to tap into a common fear of nuclear annihilation for political purpose. Do not conflate the two even though they tapped into popular concern about nuclear annihilation.

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The problem with this notion is that you're applying modern film distribution abilities that didn't exist back in 1964. In major cities, sure, but not in every smaller town and burb did Fail Safe get everywhere. When I talk to older folks who were around way before Star Wars came out, they say some films would take years after release to get to their local theater. My Dad didn't see Fail Safe until 1970.

So, while it would've been released in the cities in all likelihood it wouldn't have made that big of an impact on anything. But even so, to any free-thinking human being, this is not a film advocating disarmament. I know, it's Sydney Lumet directing, but this was a discussion about a situation getting out of control but at the Nuclear level.

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This is a good movie but if you watch the special feature on its making they openly admit it was made by committed leftists (not leftwingers, but leftists). The actor who plays General Black said he went to the Soviet Union and in 2 months realized all our government had said about their evil intent was a lie. Wow, he could tell that from 2 months? If a westerner visited the Soviet Union he was escorted to only those places the KGB wanted him to see and fed propaganda and hel fell for it. The words of the President at the end says it all, essentially a defeatist speech. This after ordering the murder of his own people as a show of good will.

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Depends on what you mean by "evil intent" - if it´s active seeking of world domination & spreading communism via direct military action, then that did indeed blow over around the early 50´s when even Stalin realized before his death that it was, at that point, simply unrealistic. One wouldn´t have had to travel to USSR to gather that, though - unless one´s extremely paranoid. Or needed the fear mongering for political gain.



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<<And the movie was held and released JUST IN TIME for the 1964 presidential election.>>

You keep repeating that claim like a broken record yet you keep failing to explain your point. OK, so what if the film WAS released "just in time for the 1964 presidential election".. So what?

What exactly is your accusation against the filmmakers? (I'm assuming here that you are indeed levelling a serious accusation and are not merely an Internet troll having a little malicious fun at others' expense.)

Insinuation is all very well as a propaganda tool, but it can only take you so far if you want to engage in a more rational debate, which thus far you have failed to engage in.

So would you like to enlarge on the point you went to the trouble to make by starting this thread?

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Color me shocked that a rightwing nut job is freaking out about a movie from 50 frigging years ago.

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How about if I just color you stupid for commenting on an old movie? But then, this is a message board ABOUT an old movie.

Yeah, you're dumb as a rock.

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Color me however you want, it's not as if I could possibly care less about your opinion towards myself.

Though I would point out that I wasn't commenting about an old movie. I was commenting about you and how literally ridiculous you are. Not for merely commenting on it. Rather, for having a reactionary freak-out about it.

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Whatever your political slant, to describe this movie as `crap' is hardly fair. I think the opening dream sequence is pretty pointless, but it develops into a taut, suspenceful and ultimately tragic piece of entertainment. Camera-work, lighting and acting are top-drawer (in my opinion).

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Yes, the film did come from a certain political slant. But it also expressed a wide public fear that was common at the time. No one who did not live through the early '60s can understand the daily fear everyone felt. I remember our "duck and cover" drills, wondering if it really WAS a drill, and hearing planes above, and wondering if these were my last moments.

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Just to reinforce an earlier statement, it is a simple fact that FAIL SAFE was supposed to come out at the end of 1963, and that it was Stanley Kubrick's manipulation of the studio over DOCTOR STRANGELOVE (due to his desire that Strangelove not have to compete with FS) that pushed FAIL SAFE's release so far back to October of 1964. There was a lot of bitterness on the part of the FAIL SAFE team over the fact that their movie's release was delayed (I was able to discuss this with the film's screenwriter some years ago), and there was even some legal wrangling involved. So not only was the release of FAIL SAFE not intentionally timed to occur just before the 1964 elections, the people behind FAIL SAFE actively fought so their movie would NOT be released then, because they wanted it out far earlier. The OP is a simple paranoid.

But then, so many conservatives love to cling to their fears. Even a half century later.

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