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Prof. Groeteschele was right about one thing


Walter Matthau's character is probably my least favorite part of the movie. He's such an obvious straw man that it only serves as a distraction from the action. They could have at least tried to make his arguments convincing.

One moment, though, I think he makes a pretty good point. (SPOILERS)

When it's clear that New York will be destroyed, Groeteschele urges the Pentagon to begin preparations for excavations--not to find people, but to find the records of America's biggest corporations. "Our economy depends on this," he says.

The Pentagon generals look at him in horror, not able to understand how someone could be so callous as to value paper records and profits as more important than human lives.

The thing is....he's right. Assuming such a situation did happen then, after the gov't is done with human rescue in the city, they'd have to look at the next pressing issue--preventing panic and chaos in the rest of the country. Getting the economy moving again--so that Americans know they'll have a paycheck coming to feed their family--is a top priority.

Panic may not seem like as big of a problem as the loss in life in New York. But it has the potential to be worse--because the effects could be longer-lasting if Americans lose faith in basic American institutions. If people are terrified enough they're capable of anything--who knows what types of civil liberties and rights Americans might be willing to give up in such a situation. (I've always contended their either President Henry Fonda or whoever replaces him would declare martial law and essentially become president for life, but maybe I'm being over-paranoid.)

Anyways, just food for thought. Sometimes the situation calls for you go be a cold-blooded bastard.

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There will always be someone like that advising.

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<<He's such an obvious straw man that it only serves as a distraction from the action. >>

A strawman perhaps, but one not without precedent. As is noted in the featurette on the DVD (6:30), he was "clearly modelled after Herman Kahn". Whether it was a fair or exaggerated portrayal of Kahn and his views is another matter.

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What is this? a calm and rational psot on IMDB? has the hell frozen over?

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You know what else he was right about - the first strike. Oh, I'm not suggesting that we should have sent it in.

But look at what happened - even with our help in defeating our missiles, even with our help in telling them exactly where our planes were, they still couldn't take out all the planes. That's really pretty lame.

If we had launched a full-scale strike following up on Group Six, just like Groeteschele said we should, the result would have been that Russia would have been stamped flat. Of course, you'd have to be a cold-blooded bastard to do that.




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The question, though, is how many records would survive a 40 megaton nuclear explosion. Everything on and above ground would be incinerated. Paper is very easily dispatched via chemical explosions, let alone nuclear. How much do you think would survive? One level below ground? Very doubtful, except 2-3 km beyond ground zero. Two levels? Probably, 1-2 km beyond ground zero. Three levels? Almost certainly, except <1 km close to ground zero.

How many corporations archive their records so deep underground though? Skycrapers have plenty of underground levels, but I don't know if they are used for archiving (why would they?). In the end, while the Neonazi professor had a great idea, I am not sure if it can be executed for more than a couple corporations, which would be meaningless in the big picture.

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the Neonazi professor had a great idea,
Neo Nazi? He comes across as hating the Nazis in the film and in the book, he was actually Jewish.

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the country have likely descended into civil war in real life, perhaps a military coup as well, or the President would have to declare martial law indefinitely.

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