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Suggested viewing order for Hammer's Frankenstein films...


I used to find it frustrating that the Hammer Peter Cushing Frankenstein films didn't all flow in a sequence so I made my own sequence that kind of makes sense if you don't think about it too much. It allows for a viewing of all the films with some coherency - in fact only one film is out of the filmed sequence. This is the sequence:

-Curse of Frankenstein

-Revenge of Frankenstein

-Evil of Frankenstein (this one I view as a dream by Baron Frankenstein which can account for differences in the creature and other elements that do not relate to the backstory as seen in 'Curse').

-Frankenstein Must be Destroyed - assuming that 'Evil of Frankenstein' was a dream then this film is the first to have the Baron damaged by fire. I put the Baron's extreme cruelty in this film down to his personality being altered as a result of the new body he received at the end of 'Revenge'. However, the fire at the end of the film made him look at life differently and he mellowed out a bit for 'Created Woman'.

-Frankenstein Created Woman - makes sense coming after 'Must be Destroyed' because the fire at the end of that movie can explain why the Baron cannot use his hands.

-Frankenstein and the Monster from Hell - continues with the Baron unable to use his hands.



Okay - just a suggestion, but if you have a marathon of watching all these movies again then try them in this order and it feels very satisfying.

Long live the Baron!

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I too use this chronology as I've posted in one of the Frankenstein threads some time ago.

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Just read your post - yep you beat me to it! Nice one.

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I like some of the ideas you suggested. The idea of the Baron's nastiness in Destroyed being due to his bodyswap at the end of Revenge makes perfect sense. After all Karl turned into a cannibal so there are obviously side effects.

Also Evil being a dream is good. Maybe while Frankenstein was recovering from his injuries received in Destroyed he was in a coma and dreamt about his experiences. There's the creation of the creature, an assistant called Hans (as in Revenge) and it all ends in a fire as it did in Destroyed. Maybe that's when the Baron wakes up and resolves to be a bit less ruthless.

"My name is Victor Frankenstein, I was in an accident and woke up in a sloppily scripted version of my previous experiences. Am I mad, in a coma or back in time?..."

"I don't need to fight to prove I'm right. I don't need to be forgiven."

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You clinched it and it is now perfect - Evil being a dream while Baron Frankenstein was recovering from the injuries at the end of Destroyed.

So the final sequence is:

-Curse of Frankenstein
-Revenge of Frankenstein
-Frankenstein Must be Destroyed
-Evil of Frankenstein
-Frankenstein Created Woman
-Frankenstein and the Monster from Hell


Great stuff - I'll have a marathon viewing of all films soon in this sequence bearing in mind all the points discussed. Should be a satisfying view.

Thanks rgaretho.

Cheers

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No problem. Thanks for the dream idea.

"I don't need to fight to prove I'm right. I don't need to be forgiven."

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what about
Horror of Frankenstein?

mind you, I just started watching the series, and I just finished the second one (revenge), but I bought them all, and I also have Horror of Frankenstein;
OK, it's not with Cushing, but nevertheless a Hammer film, so I thought that was part of the series too.

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I wouldn't count Horror of Frankenstein as part of the series per se as it is a re-telling of the Baron's first attempt at creating a living creature. Evil of Frankenstein has a new origin as well so we counted that as a dream which just holds water - and it's got Cushing so it is nice to include it in the sequence. I would recommend watching Horror of Frankenstein after the Cushing movies as a different take on the story. I really like it.

So are you going to watch the rest of the movies in the sequence discussed in this thread? If so next up is Frankenstein Must be Destroyed. Let us know how it goes and your thoughts.

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OK, thanks 4 the explanation.

I'm watching them for the first time, and when I'm watching a series for the first time, I always have this thing that I must watch them in chronological order.
So I watched Evil yesterday, and just started watching created woman.
When I watch them again, I'll do it in the sequence presented here.

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I understand - I too would do it in chronological order the first time. I hope you're enjoying the movies - Frankenstein Must be Destroyed was the first one I watched when very young (I didn't even know there was a series then) and it is my favourite to this day. The opening really scared me when I was young. Happy viewing.

Best wishes.

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Wonderful "viewing order" suggestions, and makes a lot of sense!

...CREATED WOMEN appears to have been intended as a sequel to EVIL OF... both for the fire damage and the Baron being less ruthless. But he has no problem with his hands in ...DESTROYED. One might take that as meaning a lot of time has gone by and he's recovered... but the other thing is, REVENGE... ends in England, and ...DESTROYED takes place in England (which ...CREATED WOMAN doesn't, so it DOES make more sense 3rd!).

By the way-- HORROR OF... is easy. It's some cheap movie company's version of what "really" happened. I view the Tom Cruise film MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE the same way. No *beep* way that film was about the "real" Jim Phelps!!



I also rather like to think SCARS OF DRACULA takes place before HORROR OF..., as the castle is much older and a total shambles, while the one in HORROR... looks like it was just built. (My theory is, Dracula took it over from whoever originally built and owned it.) If one really wanted to stretch things, SCARS OF... could be seen as a sequel to COUNT DRACULA (1970), which features Van Helsing (Herbert Lom). In HORROR OF..., Van Helsing (Peter Cushing) is already aware of Dracula being a menace before the film starts.

Strangely enough, SCARS OF... was intended to be a "reboot" just like HORROR OF FRANKENSTEIN, and was even supposed to star a different actor as Dracula! but the distributor wouldn't hear of it-- and so, Christopher Lee was brought in at short notice, told that all these people's salaries depended on him being in the film, and he got irritated by the fact that the script had MUCH MORE dialogue than usual, as they tended to use him as a selling point to raise money, but keep his screen-time as little as possible because he got paid by the day!

I never knew this for years... and it makes much more sense to view A.D. 1972 as a sequel to TASTE THE BLOOD OF..., as both take place in England!

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When Hammer did EVIL and knew they would be doing it in conjunction with Universal (therefore being able to incorporate elements from their films), the film was done without consideration to making it fit with CURSE and REVENGE (which could almost be edited together into one epic film.) Part of EVIL recycled the unfilmed "Hypnotist" story done for the aborted Hammer/Screen Gems TALES OF FRANKENSTEIN tv series. (Only the pilot film, "The Face in the Tombstone Mirror" was shot. FRANKENSTEIN CREATED WOMAN also made use of concepts originally developed for the proposed TV series.) CURSE and REVENGE pretty much exist outside the universe of the other Hammer Frankensteins. (Although the clothing and hair styles of MONSTER FROM HELL suggest it takes place during that era, while the clothing of the other films suggest a later period in history.) You could consider EVIL the starting point of a new franchise (ala Daniel Craig's James Bond), as the fiery finale would account for the Baron having to rely on someone else handling surgical chores for him in CREATED WOMAN, or as a stand-alone film that takes place between two franchises (the first two films, then all the rest).

Then there's the studio's Dracula saga. The opening of SCARS shows Dracula being revived on the same alter upon which he perished at the end of TASTE THE BLOOD, yet he's now in his castle in Transylvania. (Much like the mummy getting lost in a New England swamp in Universal's MUMMY'S GHOST, only to rise out of a swamp that's suddenly in cajun country in the follow-up, MUMMY'S CURSE. I guess if you can come back from the dead, geography is a little thing to conquer.) The two modern Hammer Dracula's pretty much ignore all that's come before as they attempted to launch a new franchise. In the pretitle sequence to AD 1972, we're told the original Dr. Van Helsing was killed while defeating Dracula in the year 1872. Yet that Van Helsing is still alive and well during the 1904 setting of LEGEND OF THE 7 GOLDEN VAMPIRES. (Presumably his young adult son in that goes on to become the father of Peter Cushing's modern-day character seen in DRACULA AD 1972 and SATANIC RITES OF DRACULA.) Would have been interesting to see what other Van Helsing family info we might have had, had the studio gone ahead with their next planned Dracula film, KALI: DEVIL-BRIDE OF DRACULA. (If you can find the promotional poster Hammer had made for that unfilmed project, it's a beautiful piece of art.)

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Beautiful Yvonne Monlaur was rescued by Cushing's Van Helsing at the conclusion of THE BRIDES OF DRACULA in 1960. Assuming that she became the BRIDE OF VAN HELSING, it's nice that he "got the girl" in the end, in the same way as James Bond. She was one of Hammer's great beauties.

"I take pleasure in great beauty" - James Bond

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Since THE EVIL OF FRANKENSTEIN ignores Hammer history while glorifying Universal elements that Terence Fisher made it a point to avoid, it seems logical to consider EVIL a sequel to THE HORROR OF FRANKENSTEIN, the only two entries not directed by Fisher. Neither can hold a candle to the other five.

"I take pleasure in great beauty" - James Bond

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maybe klove found Dracula in taste and moved his ashes back to the castle

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