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Critics rate 100% fresh - Emperor's new clothes?


Red Desert is rated 100% fresh by critics on rottentomatoes.com

All the reviews seem to be written decades after the film was made, and they're looking back on it knowing that it has become accepted as another masterpiece from Antonioni.

But if they saw it without knowing the film's reputation, would the critics really rate it so well? The "audience" rating is 68%, and I think that is a more honest reflection.

No matter how interesting the cinematography and sound design, Red Desert does not succeed in conveying its ideas or emotions to a very broad audience. For many viewers it is simply too slow and esoteric. So why are the critics too shy to say if they don't enjoy it? Surely they can't all love it.

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Bright boy.



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What's that supposed to mean?

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That there is just so much wrong with what you've said, it would be a waste of time and effort to even try to explain.

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You're right, me and the 32% of other people on rottentomatoes are all completely mindless because we don't love this movie. Thanks for informing us that we're so wrong about that. No need to explain further, you know best.

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I don't think we can safely say the other 32% of people who didn't enjoy the film would necessarily agree with your contention that professional critics are pretending to like it in order to fit in.

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"I don't think we can safely say the other 32% of people who didn't enjoy the film would necessarily agree with your contention that professional critics are pretending to like it in order to fit in."

My contention is only that some critics might be doing that. Maybe only 1% of them. I just find it difficult to believe that 100% of the critics reviewing this film really enjoyed it so much, given that so many other really excellent films get less than 100% approval rating.

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So you're suddenly the ultimate authority on what constitutes "excellent films"? Kind of full of yourself, aren't you?

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My contention is only that some critics might be doing that. Maybe only 1% of them. I just find it difficult to believe that 100% of the critics reviewing this film really enjoyed it so much, given that so many other really excellent films get less than 100% approval rating.


While I completely agree with your point that critics often do not have guts to rate an important film negatively (for example no single critic dares to give Citizen Kane negative review)... mathematically speaking that not might be the case with this film since there are only 23 ratings at RT. For example if 5% of critics hate this film then this would mean that with 23 critics the odds of everyone rating it positively is still 31% ... AND that's when assuming random sample of critics - not the current sample who likely actively seek these kind of artistic films!

As for this film, it's very much possible all the 23 critics liked it, or at least saw it "fresh" rather than "rotten". The cinematography certainly is very very good, and imo has quite an impact. I would claim that Tarkovsky was influenced big time with this film when filming "Stalker".

My own rating for this film is "fresh" - barely - I rated it a 6/10. I can certainly see if people don't like this film. But I can also see if this film makes a big impact on the viewer... I just finished it but I have the feeling that this is the kind of film that keeps lingering on your mind... not so much the story but the images and atmosphere, perhaps even trying to grasp the meaning and metaphors used in it. I thought there was depicted a metaphor between Vitti's state of mind and environment - while the director himself says that the film is about adaptation, which is kind of a disappointment.

There's still a good chance that you are correct and some of those 23 critics actually disliked it but didn't rate it accordingly.

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This film is about as stimulating as watching paint dry. Is it out an DVD? I'd like to use it as a sleep aid, since my doctor won't prescribe Ambien.

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When will people realize that movies aren't made for everyone? I love this film and I fully understand if someone else doesn't. Every person on this planet has got different life experiences therefor we all see different things in the films we watch.

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Think about who the average movie critic is. Most (90%+?) of them are leftist progressives, thus in sympathy or outright in love with communism, something this director is famous for and which stains everything he ever made.

These critics love mental illness, something the left is ALSO famous for -- the left never fails to turn some emotion or condition into a mental illness if it helps them get off from being responsible for their own lives.

The film is from a classic era of Italian films, something most critics drool over, and it represents a 'first', namely this director's first use of color.

The film, as well, won a Golden Lion (Venice) and is a classic time capsule of that era.

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It is absurd to suggest or think that most movie critics are in love with communism. Where'd you get that from, Rush?

And Antonioni hardly loves mental illness. That is a clueless comment.

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You are politically mentally ill. It's a plague.

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Once you expand your pov, if you ever can, to grow out of a very narrow, supeficial, linear bandwidth, which accounts for about 95% of all films made---just not Antonioni's, who chose instead to delve into difficult subjects, graduate work, not your preferred elementary school movies---you can then understand the differences between (1) what the audience is seeing, as tho it's directed to be seen for the audience and (2) that what the audience is confused about is precisely that which the main character is seeing, which confuses her to no end, which is the problem that is being depicted. You are being put in her frame of mind. It's irritating, no? Exactly as it is to her. She can't stop it, which is made pretty clear repeatedly. That's what you're seeing, what she sees, and feels, and it drives her into repeated frenzies, while your response is to dismiss it because you don't understand what you're seeing. Your reaction is about the level of a child's, who grows impatient with aspects of life he can't grasp, so he ends up just calling it "stupid". Which is itself, on your part, an adult without enough life experience, stupid. Maybe some day you will grow to the point where you don't flail out at things you don't yet get, if ever. Maybe you'll grow to where you can understand this brilliant film and Blow Up, L'Avventura, et al, Antonioni's genre of the point of view that comes with circumspectful life experience.

It seems slow because everyone's life seems slow to people not living it. It's when you TRY to put yourself in her shoes that you see the terrible mental state she's in that won't go away (unless, my prescription, she gets the hell out of that toxic human-made landscape, the plague of the planet).

BTW, critics who don't get this film or Antonioni in general don't pretend they like it. They respond like you, frustrated, angry, confused. That would be the more childish 32%.

Give it a few decades and maybe you'll see it.

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I wasn't frustrated, angry or confused by Red Dessert. I just didn't like the film very much. Tastes vary and even people of equal intelligence and life experience do not always agree. A 100% consensus on any work of art is a little dubious in any circumstances, I'd say.

Some of my favourite films are early Haneke, but I'm well aware of the fact that many people don't "get" or enjoy those films. However, I don'tt reply to his detractors with the patronising attitudes I see here from Antonioni's fans.


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That must be one of most pretentious and self-congratulatory posts I've ever seen. Disgusting.

Also you give far too much credit for the director. You should actually read what he said about the film himself...

She can't stop it, which is made pretty clear repeatedly. That's what you're seeing, what she sees, and feels, and it drives her into repeated frenzies

While I agree that the imagery succeeded in creating the metaphor with her mind and environment - the dialogue and the story was not very successful in it. What happened in the film has lots of the time very little to do with meaning and conclusion of the film, so one can certainly argue that the film wasn't a success in respect of storytelling.

Your argument is basically that the story can be incoherent mess if the protagonist's mind is supposed to be one as well. No, not really - that just leads to entirely abstract film.

You want to see a TRUE gripping masterpiece on conflict of the mind? See Polanski's "Repulsion".

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This is a fantastic thread to read. My sincere thanks to all the contributors for their time and effort.

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