Smoking


The most disturbing aspect about this film is Bette had a cigarette in practically every scene of this film. She's worse than Lucille Ball in The Facts of Life.

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How is this disturbing, exactly?

Bette was a lifelong smoker, as was her character, Edith.

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I think the OP was just remarking on how much Bette smoked, it must seem odd today. I saw Bette on a late night talk show many years ago, and she claimed did NOT inhale while smoking. And anyone can clearly see she DOES inhale and heavily. Smoking or not...she was one of Hollywood's best actresses.

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Smoking is smoking... it's no better or worse then the habbits that most younger people have today. I find it funny that it is commented upon. Most of you obviously have never watched anything older than Harry Potter. LOL

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Back in the 40's through 60's probably half the adult population of the US smoked. What seems like it's being artificially hyped in those old movies was just the way it was. Back then you could even smoke in patient rooms at the hospital and that was just the way it was. Doctors smoked and some did ads recommending certain brands of cigs.

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It's difficult for most people to situate films in their own time-frame. Dead Ringer is one of my favorite bad movies. And though nobody is asking, here is a list of the 10 most memorable heavy-smokers (in the picture) in film history:

Humprhey Bogar in "Casablanca"
Bette Davis in "Now Voyager"
Hume Cronyn in "Sunrise at Campobello"
Jean-Paul Belmondo in "Breathless"
Anouk Aimee in "Eight and a Half"
Judd Hitsch in "Ordinary People"
Al Pacino in "The Godfather I/II"
Jane Fonda in "Agnes of God"
Sissy Spacek in "In the Bedroom".

I'm not sure if Dustin Hofmann in "All the President's Men". If not, there's room for one more.


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Bette Davis in "Old Acquaintance". She smokes throughout the film.
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I disagree. She may completely inhale once or twice, but she usually takes the smoke into her mouth, lets it hang there for awhile, then blows it out. Check out the scene where Edie confronts Margaret about the baby, in Edies room. Davis deliberately uses the smoking for effect, puctuation if you will, in this and many other scenes.

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I never could tell, was BD a smoker in real life or was it just a prop? Did she inhale. Sometimes it looks like she is inhaling and sometimes not. I wonder because she lived a very long life and I think I heard that she was a smoker but I'm not sure.


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This was 1964, even Doctors were doing cigarette commercials at the time telling us how 'healthy they were. Heck, anyone watch Fred and Barney lighting up behind the house hiding from Betty and Wilma? Great TV commercial and very funny! Fred and Barney even did beer commercials too! Like others have said, most people have an addiction whether it's cigs, alcohol, drugs, or food. Live with it. My daughter always watches old movies with me and at some point watching a 30s or 40s film she asked, 'Dad, why do all the men and women wear hats all the time?' It was a large back-shot of a major city street (maybe New York) and she said, 'Look, all of THESE PEOPLE HAVE HATS ON! WHY!? I cracked me up and I explained it was the style of the time. I have a question about present day. Over the years we've had fantastic 'Made for TV Movies' and shows like Columbo etc. Why do we have so many dumb Reality Shows and why in the world do people keep watching them? I actually saw an ad for a show called 'Basketball Wives'? I'm worried about our countries future if people find entertainment in this. I haven't watched one reality show yet but the TV ads are more than enough to keep me away. I'd rather watch people wearing hats and smoking... Thank God for DVDs and TCM (I'm watching Dead Ringer right now!)

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't ~ Bart Simpson

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You are dead-on right; she does not inhale! She does exactly what you said; she holds the smoke in her mouth, and then blows it out like an exclamation point, always. People who say she inhaled know nothing about smoking. And honestly, all the anti-smoking nuts are quite tiresome; I'd love to know what unhealthy vices they indulge in! People minding other people's business has become the number one American pastime.

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It's a half inhale. My mother taught me to do this Bette Davis way of smoking. You drag on the cig. Blow most of it out. Inhale a little. And exhale the small amount that was left over.

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Pulllleeeeezzzzz!
Would you and all of the other Smoker Nazi Police Force simply give it a rest??????
So it offends you....
So it is no longer acceptable these days.....
So it has been proven to be a major cause of cancer.....
blah blah blah blah blah...........
Smoking obviously may seem strange in this day and age but give it a rest if you watch movies dated before 2000!
Get over it! Accept the past as it was.... as fun as it was!
What the BEEP are you afraid of? Second hand smoke through the blasted screen?????

And YES Zephyr!!!! The lady DID smoke in "real life".
She lived a long and interesting life....


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It's going to be a bumpy night!"

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Margo Channing looked HOT smoking a cigarette!

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The scenes in "Now, Voyager" in which Jerry (played Paul Henreid, who directed this movie) lights two cigarettes in his lips and then hands her one, was considered a really cool move, made really popular by that movie, to the point where young men everywhere were trying to imitate it. I think those scenes are really sexy and intimate. Smoking was still considered "cool" and mainstream in the 60s.

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AMEN!!!!!

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Bette Davis' character Edie was a bar owner in 1964. Smoking (and drinking alcohol) was customary for someone like that. I'm sure if you watched the film and understood her character, smoking cigarettes would be understood. I'm sorry you have a problem with watching people smoke on screen, particularly when it suits the characters.

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I must be getting old (I'm in my late '40s), because cinematic smoking doesn't bother me at all. I grew up during the '70s on old films where it seemed as if everybody was lighting up. Even though I'm not a smoker, it would seem strange if someone wasn't smoking back then. :-)

No blah, blah, blah!

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Oh, Great Smoke Nazi, it was used as a plot device for suspense and so you could tell what sister was which.

She never smoked in Baby Jane or Charlotte or The Nanny.

Swing away, Merrill....Merrill, swing away...

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So someone mentioned that Bette Davis smokes in a movie ...

... and that makes them a Nazi how exactly?

Or are you just using "Nazi" in a stupid-ass way, like people who say "feminazi" as if that means something?

Janet! Donkeys!

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The original poster said that "the most disturbing aspect" of this film is that Bette Davis smoked so much in it.

This is a movie in which a woman kills her sister by shooting her at point blank range - but according to the OP, "the most disturbing" part is the cigarette smoking....

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Thanks you two.

And Tseybert, WHAT do YOU think it means.....?

Swing away, Merrill....Merrill, swing away...

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In this film, as in other Davis films, smoking is part of her characterization and performance - you can see her character's mind working on things as she smokes, as you can in DARK VICTORY, NOW VOYAGER and ALL ABOUT EVE.

In my case, self-absorption is completely justified.

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Blah blah blah, smoking is a harmful thing to do. There is no disputing that, but in 1964, it was as normal and ubiquitous as drinking a glass of water. My dad was born in 1963 and recalled his parents smoking in the damn grocery store, the hospital, on airplanes—people literally smoked everywhere. The tobacco fascists of today are far too zealous for their own good; complaining about catching a whiff of cigarette smoke from a passerby, but completely ignorant of the fact that they are surrounded by hundreds of cars pumping out deadly toxic fumes into the air. Get over it.

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"the tobacco fascists of today"-------Great line!

I call them the smoke police. Since the mid 80's, I've been disgusted with these intrusive, self-righteous idiots. I'd like to start a campaign against people who take a bath in stinky perfume and go out in public and set off my allergies.

A friend and I once threw a party. One of guests sat and glared at me for smoking also at another person smoking there. This b!tch was in MY home and thought she had a right to show her disapproval. She should have minded her manners or gone home.

People only quit when THEY want to. None of the anti smoking tactics are effective and amount to persecution.

I want to start seeing signs that say "this is a perfume free zone, theater, campus, restaurant, bar, mall, etc" so that I don't have to sneeze and scratch



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