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The Lansing vs Burke Versions (sorry...been done before but)


While DVR-ing this fine series and not having seen so many episode for literally decades (well like 50 years! ouch), it's startling how different the Quinn Martin made the Lansing and Burke versions of this show.

While the rumors have circulated for half a century over why Lansing left the show, it seems to me the reasons are there pretty much for us to see in the product produced with Burke that came after.

Yes, it was an earlier timeslot. Yes, while Lansing was a handsome, hard edged kind of alpha male warrior, Burke was "prettier" and more animated and social a warrior.

I have not seen Season 1 with Lansing in its entiriety yet, but it does seem they set out to make a tv series that was very very close to the original film.

Very authentic, serious, moving war stuff. Lansing was just the man for that role. He was just about the leadership and the business of running the squadron and it's as though he sort of became a monk-like figure, lonely at the top (like in the film--we never saw Gregory Peck chasing chicks off duty).

The first series was such a serious meditation on the whole bombing event and the challenges of leading that new form of war that Gen. Savage was undertaking. There was no fluff in Season 1. It was serious drama.

I think that's what Quinn Martin ditched after one season--a serious meditation on war and leadership that closely followed the original film. To ditch that concept he had to ditch the serious monk-like leader Savage.

So on a complete retool, Quinn ditches Lansing and what replaces him is this dashing more sociable Joe Gallagher. Sure, he's a tough squadron leader, but he's like some dog in heat a lot of the time--and right off the bat starting in ep 1, series 2. Where did he find the energy after all that killin' over Germany mate?

But it was really shocking how right out of the gate in Season 2, suddenly there's a sexy chick in "guest starring" at the beginning and before we get to Part III, Joe has snogged her at LEAST once! He even finds chicks when he's on enemy terrority and they ditch their partisan togs for him and dress up in sexy tight dresses and heels and climb over rocks in them!

Mon dieu. Goodbye serious meditation on war and hello Gallagher's Wartime Flings. He's got a damned new chick in every episode!

He seems constantly to be saying to General Britt, "Oh sure I can come to that briefing tonight, but I have a date. I'll have to call her and cancel."

Somebody decided all these "guest star" women had to be the hotties of the time in H-wood. Ian Balin was one of the few woman guest chickies who was a serious actress rather than just Gallagher eye candy.

It was the retool of all time. 12 O'clock High Meets the Loves of Randy Joe Gallagher Who Never Met A Woman He Didn't Want to Snog Before the Epilog.

Too bad. They didn't have to go that way. But guess they wanted ratings and they thought hot chicks for Joe to shag every ep was the way to go.

It could have been so much better if they'd kept to the original quality theme.

They need to rename seasons 2 and 3: "The One where Joe Gallagher Snogs the Ops Lieutenant." "The One Where Joe Gallagher Snogs the Norwegian Partisan Fighter." "The One Where Joe Gallagher Snogs The French Exile..."

Geesh.


































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You're so right about Lansing portraying so well the handsome alpha male warrior who holds himself apart from the ladies in an effort to focus on his duty and "job." wiley even reminds him in one episode not to ignore the lovely Liz who's been asking after him. Colonel Gallagher, on the other hand, tries to cut in on Komansky and take his girl (Claudine Longet) right out of the gate in the first episode of Season 2. General Savage would never be so crass or lacking in officer decorum. They really dumbed down the show so much after season 1. I'm glad Lansing, the fine actor that his was, wasn't a part of that. Too bad, though, that Quinn Martin gave the perception in the industry that Lansing was difficult. That may have cost Lansing other opportunities. And if he was indeed diffuclt, then that was an attribute of his high standards.

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Oh gosh, so true about Savage and his "gentlemenly" conduct regarding The Ladies. haha

They kept calling Col. Gallagher a gentleman, but he was a bit of "jack the lad" with the ladies wasn't he--a real love 'em and leave 'em type it seemed. (As he never seemed to snog the same one in different eppies. ha)

I think we realized straight away in ep one of the Gallagher Series when infamous Claudine Longet made an appearance and that was a sign to the audiences of the day (the leading lady of tv in her day before she was convicted in relation to a gun incident when her boyfriend was shot! that this was not Savage's squadron anymore. :-)))

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I agree on many levels. The writing and entire tone of the show changed in season 2.
Season 1 was about the war. Subsequent seasons were about a lot of characters who happened to be at war. Too many soap operas interrupted by bombing missions.

I was astonished when I learned that Robert Lansing was actually two years younger than Paul Burke. He seemed much older and more gristled.

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Apparently a pattern in 60s TV. Captain Kirk on Star Trek never met a female of any species he didn't romance, kiss, various other biological activities with. Bet he and Galagher would be buddies ..

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I think it was a little more real and then became a series driven by ratings.
I like both parts but the plots started getting pretty lame at the end.
A good show knows when to leave

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Posted by Maria Kelly on July 4,2016

As a major league Robert Lansing fan, I am so happy that are so many people that share my high opinion of him and the TV series first season.

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I have recently come up with a short way to compare Savage and Gallagher: Savage was too busy fighting the war to chase girls, and Gallagher was too busy chasing girls to fight the war.

See you upstairs.

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To paradesend:

I wanted to let you know how much I love your OP. It's hilarious.

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