Was it this show?


Was this awful clip from this show?
http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=1684

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Sadly, the answer is yes. That WAS an awful clip and it was from the Hollywood Palace. For years it was seemingly the thing to do for older singers to try and sing "hip" songs - often to a detremental effect because most of them could not adjust their singing styles. The singers you saw included Bing Crosby and Englebert Humperdinck. I did not watch the whole thing as it is too painful!! LOL.

But the show often had very good things on it, so you should not judge it wholly from that clip.

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I just watched more of that clip. The female is Gwen Verdon and it is amazing how bad she is. She was a fine Broadway singer but the material and the arrangements - ugghh...

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Thanks for your input! I remember watching the Hollywood Palace in the 1960s and really enjoying the show. When a friend sent me the link to this clip, I immediately recognized that set even though I have not seen the show in over 36 years! Gwen Verdon is the "Damn Yankees" lady no matter what else she's done.
Horrible clip just the same.

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For those that can't and won't understand things in the context of the times that they were made, then think of this clip and show as an interesting time capsule. In the posted clip, some of the other people singing were comedian (and non-singer) Dick Shawn and legendary singer/songwriter Bobbie Gentry, and of course Bing Crosby along with Engelbert Humperdink!

I didn't think of this clip as being all that terrible or unusual considering the time it was made and for what it was a part of...a circa 1969 episode of a very popular and long running variety show. The now extinct TV variety shows were kinda goofy and all over the map at times, and that is what makes looking back at them so humorous, interesting and enjoyable in a way.

As someone else already said, it was typical for older established performers like Bing Crosby for instance, to tackle contemporary material, and often the arrrangments were not too sympathetic to the abilities of aging vocalists, they usually were done in a typically Vegas-ish sounding way during those times in your typical variety show setting. Things are different now, and not for the better, because such over the top nonsense like this will never be made again in such a self-conscious world where everyone thinks they are cool...and yet very few actually are.



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I don't think this would fly today either because the 1960s were the last gasp of "If it's good it sells" form of marketing. Yes, the Beatles used gimmickery and salemanship to market themselve but the Beatles music stood on its own, hence they sold. I was around back then and I don't recall any of the established celebs (Crosby and the likes) even acknowledging that the Beatles existed much less performing their material. Maybe by 1969 that had changed. Apparently it did or we would not have this clip.
I can't imagine Sinatra or Andy Williams performing songs by Green Day or Pink or Avril Levine.
This is not intended as a put down of these artists, just that the recording industry has now shifted to more focused marketing of an artist and broad appeal is seldom achieved.
The Beatles appealed at a more intellectual level and no artists have really done that lately. The Beatles themselves could be controversial, however, their music seldom was (at least not their "hits").
So, yes, we'll likely never see anything like that clip again.
When I said it was "awful" that didn't mean I didn't enjoy seeing it! I like things that are awful. I believe Oscar Wilde said it best "Fashion is making a statement so ugly we have to change it every 6 months." This clip is evidence of that.
Bobby Gentry did Ode To Billy Joe - maybe she was talking about Green Day in a prophetic sort of way! (I think that would be Billie Joe)

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Hi fivefids,
I hope you didn't think I was being too harsh towards you or anyone in my previous post, but on occasion some people tend to post clips without really fully understanding the clip in the context of the times it was produced in, and then subsequently attempt to shred it to bits! I understand where you are coming from and what you are saying...

Some further thoughts...
In a era with such a mindset heavily biased against older people when most guys pushing Seventy would have been considered really far too old and in serious need of retirement (not like now with the likes of Mick Jagger for instance!)... Bing was still doing what he always did as an entertainer, even if it meant covering some Beatles. He sure didn't have to do it, but he did and I give him props for being courageous!

Speaking of Bing and Beatles, around this time Bing put out a generally panned album titled "HEY JUDE, HEY BING!". On this album he performs a few Beatles songs along with a couple of others tossed in for good measure! As for the intellectual appeal of the Beatles, you are right, and hence this is why I think their appeal was fairly universal, even inviting talent to cover their songs that fell outside the ages one might normally asscoiate with a youth oriented pop music driven culture.

Speaking of other established middle age and beyond artists covering Beatles and other contemporary pop, Sinatra did cover quite a bit of stuff like that on several of his albums from the mid-Sixties well into the mid Seventies, think how many times the Beatles song "Something" has been covered by many easy artists, even by Andy Williams too! Not the least bit uncommon for Peggy Lee to cover such stuff, and the list could go on and on!

As for long established easy artists still around now and doing similar moves, it is done but so infrequently as to be considered a novelty, such as when Pat Boone released a metal album several years ago, or back in the late Nineties when lounge music was all the rage you had people like Steve and Eddie Gorme performing on a compliation album titled LOUNGAPALOZA the song "Black Hole Sun" (actually that was pretty good!) among other examples too numerous to mention!

The difference from something like that posted clip and such newer CD performances of the Nineties is that by now, everybody is in on the joke, so that whole earnest fun loving goofiness of those variety show performances is gone and replaced by an all knowing smirk. Sure it is fun still, but there is something missing, and it somehow feels a bit dishonest at its core.

As a final note, the mechanics of pop amd radio have changed so much since the late Sixties, back then you had a widely popular concept on both FM and AM that was know as M.O.R. radio, or "middle of the road". One song might be something like "Penny Lane", the next song would be something like Sinatra's "Strangers In The Night", then toss in some Lovin Spoonfull "Summer In The City" or Spanky And The Gang "I'd Like To Get To Know You" and then perhaps Andy Williams bellowing out "Love Story"...and you get the idea I'm sure!
This kind of stylistic rotation happened over and over all night and day on many stations of the era, no wonder why pop could be covered so efffortlessly on a random variety show circa 1969. Think of the various ages of the artists in that clip. Bobbi Gentry was in her mid Twenties and Engelbert Humperdinck was in his very early Thirties and both of those two were around the same ages as actual Beatles members, while Gwen Verdon was a fortysomething and Bing was in his late Sixties! Funny but true...nobody wanted to get left out of the youth movement, and what better way to witness this in the form of that wonderfully goofy Hollywood Palace clip that featured everyone from a young Twentysomething to a veteran Sixtysomething in a Beatles medley!

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I didn't take your comments as "harsh", I acutally find them interesting and I enjoy intelligent discussion as opposed to banter which is why I seldom post on these message boards.

Of all the things I miss from my youth, I think the uniting force that popular music used to be is probably the one I miss most!
You are correct, I used to listen to my AM radio and hear a wide variety of music. As Tim McGraw pointed out in his recent hit 'Back When'; "I had my favorite stations, the ones that played 'em all! Country, soul, rock and roll..."
No, you don't hear commercial stations segue from the Bellamy Brothers into Queen as used to be common place 30 years ago. The top ten does not simulataneously contain "A Fifth of Beethoven" and "Play that Funky Music."
I remember watching shows such as Hollywood Palace, and performers having real talent. Used to be I'd watch these shows with my parents and they'd say "Do you think you could ever do that?" Now if parents watch TV with their kids, it's reality TV and instead of "Do you think you could ever do that?" it's "Don't you ever do that!"

Another thought I often have is that today, when we look back on the 1960s, images of hippies, drugs, Woodstock, hard rock, Vietnam and the anti-estalishment are conjured up. But, I was around in the 1960s and many forget that there was still a large audience of our parents generation who liked things that "weren't hip." Glen Campbell, Herb Alpert and Tijuana Brass, Tom Jones, Engelbert and Crosby still sold huge amounts of records (Herb Alpert and Tijuana Brass did several prime time TV specials and even knocked the Beatles out of the number 1 position a couple of times but when was the last time you heard them on the radio????) and concert tickets yet we seldom think of them when looking back at the 1960s.
You are correct, unlike the artist of today, we had the more "mainstream" artists and Beatles songs were well accepted even if the artists seemed a bit stiff when rendering their versions. I remember Chet Atkins, an established country guitarist did an entire album of Beatle tunes called "Chet Atkins Picks on the Beatles."
You don't see that sort of genre crossing any more.
After this discussion, I'm coming to the conclusion that clip was brilliant and perhaps we need more entertainment like that today!
Thanks for insightful and informative comments.

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Hi,

I remember watching Hollywood Palace very well. It came on right after Lawrence Welk which in my opinion is another fine show still being shown by PBS. I think PBS should also show Hollywood Palace-I wonder if anyone has suggested it.
I have a Mac computer and for some reason was unable to see the Hollywood Palace clip. Guess I'll have to go to the library to see it.

Carl Sperr

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If you think that is bad, you should see Peter Lawford doing Children of Aquarius. He is sitting being fondled by a bunch of fit young female dancers. You start thinking he is probably pimping them to the Kennedys and friends after the show.

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It's interesting to look at the Peter Lawford clip out and in context.
Out of context as I also saw it a few years ago - it seems a bit desperate and disturbing - though not without some jaw-dropping entertainment value.
But tonight I watched what came before and after it - basically Peter Lawford appeared on the show several times across the years and Sammy Davis and he bicker about Peter wanting to do his number first. Sammy makes some critical comments about Peter's previous appearances telling him on no account is Peter to do the artist sketch. Then Sammy introducing it by promising the audience it'll be the most boring number ever seen - he then does a double take and Lawford is on stage surrounded by the girls - at the number's end Sammy staggers toward peter in a state of shock over the number - and says they need to all get naked (I'm not making this up) whereupon Peter says he'd rather not as he finds the naked body not very attractive. Sammy yells that he's pulled another fast one on him and orders Peter off the stage - whereupon the girls roll the set - with Peter still on his throne - off the set.

Alright it's not classic tv but the whole thing IS meant to be a joke - and in all fairness it is kinda diverting.

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