A Criterion reissue


Criterion ought to release a reissue DVD of this Kurosawa classic, with the same treatment accorded to "Seven Samurai"

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they did, in 1998. you can still buy a copy.

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The original poster was talking about a RE-issue...the Criterion that was released leaves a lot to be desired (like the original Seven Samurai that was greatly re-done a few months ago).

Anyone else know if this might be happening? I would love to see an upgrade.

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Not much on offer, really... the British Film Institute's R2 UK release has the original aspect ratio, but unfortunately the image quality is noticeably worse than the Criterion release. And neither version has any extras worth writing home about. I'm surprised Criterion released this with the wrong aspect ratio. I'd like to see Eureka's "Masters Of Cinema" take a stab at this.



Some comparisons:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare10/highandlow.htm

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Regarding the aspect ratio, the Criterion version of the film is 2.35:1 because Criterion used a domestic US print of the film from Janus instead of the original Toho master. So it's 2.35 instead of 2.53 because 2.35 is the aspect ratio Cinemascope used at the time and to play with the anamorphic lenses already in American theaters they needed to crop it to 2.35.

The BFI Disc is presumably taken from a Toho print or some other Japanese source. The bottom line, though, is that it's not really a mistake on Criterion's part as it was done deliberately; they're presenting how the film was originally shown in the US. And it was Janus and not Criterion that did the cropping.

I agree though that Criterion needs to re-release this disc badly. It's one of the worst in the collection. Along with "Yojimbo" which also featured overzealous cropping and no additional features. Fortunately, "Yojimbo" and "Sanjuro" are getting re-released in January, so perhaps "High and Low" won't be too far behind.

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Let me see if I've got this straight:

It says on the box that this is "presented in its original Tohoscope aspect ratio of 2.35:1.

That implies that this is how it was originally shown in Japan, too, no? -- because isn't Tohoscope their version of Cinemascope?

Or is Tohoscope actually 2.53 and Cinemascope 2.35 so they made it 2.35 for its American release?

I'm so confused.

In any case, I hope Criterion puts it out.

LS

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rumor has it that this one is on the re-issue list...

the following from Criterion:

CRITERION BLOG: 11/21/06 - "We know there are a good two-dozen early releases (Andrei Rublev and Shock Corridor, to name just a couple) that need to be redone, and we’ll probably get to them at a rate of three to four a year".

High and Low was previously announced as a possibility for a re-issue...unfortunately, if it's at the end of the list, we might be waiting upwards of 6-7 yrs for a better release...

I'm afraid she's upped stumps and retired to the pavillion.

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I'd like to see the shot of the pink smoke in color in the re-issue. That seems like it would be a totally awesome addition to the movie from Kurosawa.

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was this suppose to happen?

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Yeah, I think it says so in the trivia section. But they took it out for the American version or something, and it ended up getting lost.

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Yes! Great news. I was just thinking about buying the older version when I saw this...

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Same here. Saved me 25 $ just in time.

"The mango cream pudding...it's...an interesting topping..."

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Hmmm... that is good news, but it still lists the aspect ratio as 2.35:1. Disappointing.

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why is that disappointing? that is the OAR, is it not?

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I'm afraid not - as ultrahchronic quite rightly pointed out earlier in the thread "the Criterion version of the film is 2.35:1 because Criterion used a domestic US print of the film from Janus instead of the original Toho master." I believe the film's OAR is 2.53:1.

Reading your response prompted me to check imdb's main page for High and Low, and it does indeed list the OAR as 2.35:1 - that really should be changed. I also find it a little cynical of Criterion to state the film is "presented in its original aspect ratio of 2.35:1" when they know very well this is a misleading statement.

Take a look here:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare10/highandlow.htm

for image comparisons between the existing Criterion edition and other releases. Last time I looked, only the BFI disc had the 2.53:1 ratio, but since then I see there has been a Madman release with what looks like the same ratio (it's actually listed as 2.54:1, "16x9 enhanced" - not sure what that means, to be honest). The quality is not quite as good as Criterion (and may be worse still than Criterion's reissue), but it's a lot better than BFI's and has the correct ratio.

matrixagent, thank you for commenting, because otherwise I wouldn't have looked again & found out about the Madman release :) I'll see if I can find one to buy, and maybe go for the Criterion reissue too, for the extras. Wonder if the Madman has pink smoke?

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Very interesting, thanks for the link. I've actually never heard of that aspect ratio before. Normally, I wouldn't care too much about the difference between 2.35 and 2.53, but with Kurosawa, his shots are so perfectly composed that it is a much more significant matter.

However, that problem aside, I don't think there is any version of the film that will be able to compete in features, presentation, and picture quality when compared to Criterion's new release.

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An update for anyone still interested: I got hold of the Madman release.

Strangely, everywhere I saw this edition listed, the AR is stated as 2.35:1 - including Madman's own site. I contacted them and they told me their edition's AR is actually 2.54:1 (sic), but they labelled it 2.35:1 to avoid confusion. Personally, I think they achieved the opposite, but the important thing is not what it says on the box but what's on the disc, and despite the crazy labelling that super-wide aspect ratio is here.

I watched it yesterday and can confirm it is the OAR as shown in those DVDBeaver screens; however, it does have small black borders on the left & right of the screen (watching on Xbox Media Centre, I zoomed in to get rid of them - if your hardware can't do this, you may find them annoying). And the smoke is pink :)

The Criterion will beat it for image quality and extras (I may buy their reissue as well), but it'll be a disappointment if they stick to 2.35:1.

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Another review of the Criterion reissue here:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/34000/high-and-low-criterion-collection/

The Madman edition is region 4.

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Your an idiot. TOHOSCOPE IS 2:35:1.

"Why So Serious?"

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Oh my god. Read the thread, do some research, and while you're at it find out what an apostrophe is.

In future, before posting, you might want to check you actually have a valid point to make that hasn't already been *comprehensively* discussed in the thread and on linked pages. And if you're going to throw words like "idiot" around, it might be a good idea if you learned to spell first (there's a clue for you in this sentence).

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