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Are movie execs rating this movie a 1?


A few months back this movie was getting an 8.5 I remember and had a fairly high place in the top 250. I noticed its rating was way down from the last time I visited the page and checked the score breakdown. Sure enough, 8.5% of voters have given this movie a 1 as of today.

Now, when a movie is released it's typical to see an inflated score at imdb for it due to hundreds to thousands of people--most likely involved with the movie or at least promotion of it--giving the movie a 10. Are those same people now voting movies off the top 250 to get their own in? Or is this just the work of random douchebags?

Honestly, it being in the top 250 or not doesn't mean a thing to me, but if movie promoters are responsible for manipulating the score for this and other movies imdb scores would become absolutely meaningless.

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"Honestly, it being in the top 250 or not doesn't mean a thing to me"
But it does and it really shouldn't. Forget about imdb rating, it's meaningless.

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I've often wondered the same thing. Why, for instance, did Live Free or Die Hard make it into the Top 250 while it was in theaters? Or Rambo? These are not 10s to most people that rate on here. But then again, 38% of moviegoers are within the ages ranging from 12 to 24. That's the age group that would definitely rate certain movies at 10 that would never have a place on an official praise list in a million years. As with High and Low, it is definitely a mystery. And I wouldn't rule out your seemingly paranoid theory.

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No doubt about that. I checked out a few other movies with ratings of just over 8 but not in the top 250, and sure enough, all of them had a significant percentage of people rating them at 1. However, movies at around the 7.5 mark werent touched as they were not a threat to new movies trying to make it to the top 250 list. I feel imdb should provide a rating calculator where if you dont want votes of certain rating to be included in the average, then you can exclude them. That way, votes with 1 rating can be excluded. Even apart from movie execs, if some person is rating the movie as 1, then the person has to be brain-dead or some sad-minded guy whose idea of fun is to go and rate a great movie 1 - we dont need either of these in the ratings

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anyone who votes this film a 1 should be banned from IMDB anyhow...because it just might be the greatest film ever made.

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You are very perceptive.
I think you are correct.
No reasonable person would ever give this movie a "1"

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There is absolutely no doubt that a certain demographic of IMDb voters are deliberately casting "1" votes for certain movies in an attempt to get them off the top 250 list, or at least further down in the ratings.

I've observed concrete proof of this phenomena within the past few days. As I write, the entire IMDb community is swooning about the new Batman movie (The Dark Knight) displacing The Godfather and taking over the top spot on the list.

Interestingly, I was looking at the vote patterns for The Godfather on Monday, July 21/08, and noted that just over 14,000 "1" votes had been cast against The Godfather.

Just two days later, I checked again, and the number of "1" votes for The Godfather had increased to 17,900! Can you believe it? Approx. 2500 people voting down The Godfather over the course of 2 days. The intention here of course was to bring Godfather's average rating down, making it easier for The Dark Knight to stay in the # 1 spot.

I would speculate that most of the people involved in this kind of activity are young people, teenagers/fanboys of popular new movies. As the O/P suggests, there might even be promoters, marketers, and industry insiders getting involved in this kind of activity.

One can sort of understand wanting to push and promote you new favorite movie, especially for the teenage crowd. But to go around trying to bring older established movies down - that really is a despicable practice that IMDb should try to do something about.

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Aren't these ratings a perfect illustration of what is wrong with the concept of "wisdom of the masses"? A determined minority can distort almost anything--be it IMDB ratings or commodity futures.

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It's called democracy and it never works.

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I think that IMDB is full of trolls.

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The masses, i believe, don't have anything to do with it. It's probably greedy execs and other liars who have a monetary interest in their current big release. IMDb definitely ought to figure out another system ranking these films for that reason. The system currently is a farce.

~ Native Angeleno

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IMDb does something about this, there is a difference between the arithmetic mean and the mark it gets.
For example this movie has a 8.2, but if you look at the mean of all votes it's only a 7.7 (see here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057565/ratings)

for more info about the weighted average look here:
http://www.imdb.com/ratings_explained

But anyway it's annoying people who vote 1's for movie to give them higher score. That why i would advice always to look at the specified ratings, if you look at the ratings at all.

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There are lots of great replies in here. Maybe imdb can be like an auction?
With a "starting bid?" A movie this good should have a minimum vote of 5 or more
or you can just ignore it. Some such thing.

Of course, that won't count the "true" 1's that come from people who aren't
thrilled by great films such as this.

I was surprised to see its rating and not see it in the Top 250. But many
of the films I think are great are probably not in YOUR top 1500!

At any rate, this is one of the best flicks I have seen in many years.
I'm amazed at the 1963 date on it. It's a great slice of Japan from 1962
and many things in it are years ahead. Not to mention the quality and that
great RED SMOKE! That's classic. Many filmmakers since have used that
technique.

This film so brought to mind Quentin Tarantino. Just could not get that out of
my mind. I am convinced that this is one of his favorite films.


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Wow...i thought i was the only one who felt the connection to QT. I mean the opening scene to High and Low looks very similar to the opening to Reservoir Dogs. Also the sense of chapters. The way drugs are displayed with an in-you-face attitude is also reminiscent of Pulp Fiction.

I too agree this is a great film. Not to mention it has served as inspiration to many other films dealing with a similar story (Ransom comes to mind). In my humble opinion one of Kurosawa's best.

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"Wow...i thought i was the only one who felt the connection to QT"

I think I saw this comment more than 2 000 times on imdb boards!!
I have something like 3000 movies at my home, from all over the world, and I can tell you that Tarentino never had a single idea that cames from his own mind ..In any of his films. Name any scenes from any QT works, I'll give you the original !

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The IMDb Top 250 is a great reference list for movies to watch. But just like any list, it's not the end all judge of what the greatest movies are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aArdTKeEntI

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Just reading this now ..... Important info.

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There may be some truth to this. It seems highly unlikely that a significant number of people would rate this a 1 over the course of a few months. There could well be some people trying to manipulate the ratings. Some atrocious movies are in the top 25. Many won't last. For instance, INCEPTION was a decent movie, but when it moves to DVD and people watch it again or for the first time at home, its rating will drop dramatically.

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Alas, that film is still in the top 10. The top 250 is a joke, exactly because of that. Inception is better than Citizen Kane (as much as I dislike the film, it really is a better film than Incemption, and Seven Samurai? Ugh. IMDB ratings are so arbitrary and ridiculous. There's too many trolls on the site, as most of the boards involve people claiming the movie is the worst ever with no actual discussion as to why.

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for real!



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