Dreaming in color


Why would the characters say they dreamt in color? We saw the film in b&w but surely they did not see themselves that way.

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That was a nice way for Fuller to play around color as a cinematic element. It's a lot like that scene in Hitchcock's Spellbound when the antagonist turns the gun on himself and causes the screen to turn blood red.

What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter.

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They usually say that when we dream, we dream in black and white so it's a neat reversal. Also if you manage to get to see Mika Kaurismaki's Tigrero, you'll understand how the dream came about.

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>They usually say that when we dream, we dream in black and white so it's a neat reversal.

Yes, I remember hearing that, altho I never understood why. I for one am certain that I dream in color. I know that not everybody remembers colors, but that does not necessarily mean they do not dream in color. I don't remember what my friend wore earlier today. Does that necessarily mean she was "in black and white?" 8-)
One thing I have always wondered... "black and white" has only been around only since movies (and OK, still photography). But dreams have been around since.... well, since human kind began, surely? So - how would anyone know to "dream in black and white" in, say, the 14th century? How would anyone know what "black and white," as we know it, even looked like back then? I have a theory that this "people dream in black and white" is, itself... a theory - one that has never been proven. Either that, or it was disproved years ago, but lives on as an urban myth. Just my opinion.

... btw, in SC, if I am not mistaken, whenever a color sequence happens, it is not actually a dream but sometimes a hallucination, and sometimes a vivid memory that turns into a hallucination. Possibly, dreams and hallucinations may have seemed like the same thing to the film creator, but they are of course very different.

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"black and white" has only been around only since movies (and OK, still photography).


Keep in mind a couple of things: First, monochromatic (black & white) art has been around for millenia, in such media as charcoal. I'm sure the very first cave paintings were monochromatic, before some creative early hominids got the idea to spruce things up.

Second, remember that the human eye's receptors consist of both rods and cones. The rods only perceive shades of grey, but are more sensitive than cones so that, in low light conditions, color perception is attenuated, if not lost altogether. So I think humans have always had an innate sense of black & white imagery, regardless of how they dream.

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That is surely true, and it makes me wonder whether we, as species, aren't more geared towards shapes than towards colours. Yeah well the very notions of "shape" and "colour" are, like any notion, and like probably 90% of everything that surrounds us, human constructions, so the question can't be thrown without amendments, but it still makes sense to ask whether, inside human cultures, the shapes didn't come prior to colours, and as such whether we, as individuals raised in an environment determined to a large degree by its cultural background, aren't in our turn more likely to discern shapes before colours.
...Argh drats this gets more cumbersome the more I think about it, let's just go back to BW vs coloured art .

there's a highway that is curling up like smoke above his shoulder

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All these super deep explanations when Robert Osborne told me before it aired on TCM the other night that they were merely home movies that Fuller incorporated into the script. ;)

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