Hercules


Was this the best they could come up with for Hercules? He was old and rather small physically.

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Nigel Green was not a small man. But in terms of muscularity, or lack thereof, that was actually intentional. Steve Reeves' muscle-man movies were popular at that time, but Ray Harryhausen and producer Charles Schneer, did not want this to be seen as another "muscle flick", and wanted their Hercules to be a little more down to earth and of course not to overshadow the real hero of the picture, Jason.

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He was the perfect image of the Greek art interpretation of the character. Fierce in the face, full of humor and the love of life, complete with the traditional lion skin outfit and the hero's weapon of choice, the club. Nigel Green WAS Hercules.

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I like this Hercules very much. I agree 100% that this version of Herc was more down to earth and more personable. Very sad to find out that certain cast members have passed on. This is best film in the genre and I remeber it well from my youth. I hope they get around to putting this great film on one of the HD disc formats.

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Add my vote for ol' Nigel. In fact I was going to start a thread saying how great it was that they didn't get some muscle-bound clod with the acting skills of sack of mud. I remember being in the matinee when in one of these Herc flicks was playing. Hercules is walking thru the desert with the female lead who's mounted on a horse beside him as gallons of olive oil flow over his bulging muscles showing how hot it is. He gives her a drink out of a skin bag and starts to plod on. "Don't you need some water too?" She asks. He reponds, "No I'm alright." To which I loudly added. " I had a drink in July." Really broke the folks up!

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This movie was one of my favorites, but calling Steve Reeves "A poser" or claiming Green was "The best Hercules", just goes well beyond insanity.

Hercules whether in Greco-Roman statuary or pottery ect, far more resembles Reeves than Green, who had no physique at all.

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I agree. As an actor, Steve Reeves makes a perfect statue. :)

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Steve Reeves and Reg Park were legends, and my appreciation of the warmth and charm Nigel Green brought to this role in no way diminishes their legacy.

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"I agree. As an actor, Steve Reeves makes a perfect statue. :) "


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HERCULES !!
He's here !

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Omae wa mo shindeiru

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well said diddymuck.



It's like a big tide of jam coming toward us, but jam made out of old women

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True, but looking at things mythologically, Hercules was alreadly well-established as a hero by the time the Argonauts were assembled -- hence Jason's willingness to reserve his place among the crew -- so it makes sense that he'd be a bit long in the tooth. As far as Nigel Green's performance, it pretty much encapsulated the essence of the demi-god. My favorite moment is when someone announces that Hercules has arrived, leading Hercules to scream "HE'S HERE!" and pounce into the assembled throng and start throwing people.

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The only thing i missed was to actually see hercules in action. Let him knock over a couple of guys or maybe kill a monster himself.

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Was I alone in thinking Hercules acted like a total dick? The first thing he did on going ashore was to totally disobey orders thereby endangering everyone. His actions made Jason waste 2 divine interventions, almost causing mutiny, and seemingly caused the death of Hylas. Great crewmember? With friends like that who needs enemies?

Ah, hell diddly-ding-dong crap!

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actually that's the way the legendary Herc would have behaved. Insubordinate and comfort before responsibility. Heck, he even killed his teachers for trying to instruct him.

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I think it's kinda cool that 2 actors from this film-- Nigel Green (Hercules) and Douglas Wilmer (King Pelias) went on to play Sir Denis Nayland Smith (THE FACE OF FU MANCHU, THE BRIDES OF FU MANCHU). Of the two, I much prefer Wilmer, who had also played SHERLOCK HOLMES on TV.

I suspect Nigel Green may always be best remembered as Harry Palmer's other boss, in THE IPCRESS FILE (1965).

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ACTUALLY to me, Green will always be Colour Sgt. Bourne from 'Zulu': "And a bayonet, sir-with some guts behind it";

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If he had played no other role than Colour Sgt Bourne, he would be remembered. i hesitate to say he was a standout in "Zulu", as it had so many standouts, but he was certainly memorable.

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This Hercules was more accessible and human. Besides, just because Hercules possessed supernatural strength doesn't necessarily mean he was a muscle boy. I though as a character he was rather cool, if a little on the dim side.

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I can understand them not wanting Hercules to overshadow Jason, but Nigel Green's character almost came across as a slam on Hercules. His character was older and less muscular than one would expect Hercules to be and he didn't do any extraordinary feats of strength. Furthermore, his greed and disobedience were the sole reasons for the attack by Talos. He had a good humor to him and a couple of good lines, but pretty much his entire role amounts to him losing a discus competition to Hylas and provoking the Talos to kill a good portion of the crew, including Hylas.

It certainly was not the hero's greatest moment in film.

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Well, he did throw that discus pretty far, and he also opened the door to the cretans' treasury by his musclepower.

I miss some of his fighting though :(.

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Yea, that would have been great.

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I can understand them not wanting Hercules to overshadow Jason, but Nigel Green's character almost came across as a slam on Hercules. His character was older and less muscular than one would expect Hercules to be and he didn't do any extraordinary feats of strength. Furthermore, his greed and disobedience were the sole reasons for the attack by Talos. He had a good humor to him and a couple of good lines, but pretty much his entire role amounts to him losing a discus competition to Hylas and provoking the Talos to kill a good portion of the crew, including Hylas.

It certainly was not the hero's greatest moment in film.


I'm inclined to agree with Forgotten Hero. Hercules came off as something of a joke in this one. Nothing personal against Nigel Green but he looked like a tired scrawny old man, and that's not Hercules.

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I adore hercules in this film. He's an honest to god man, strong and reckless and loving life. I remember watching this film as a little girl, and he reminded me of my dad, who was the epitimy of strength and masculinity to me as a child.
The character has a lot of warmth, and is more likeable than some dull as s*** statuesque muscleman.

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I still think he looks like a silly old man. But I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. :)

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well said coney_island_baby.

It's like a big tide of jam coming toward us, but jam made out of old women

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Isn't this actually realistic to times back then if not Hercules as in the actual greek legends? I mean what guys were body builder thick size back then and how is the REAL QUESTION from unbelievable manual labor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TzcANOHiDo

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To me, he was Hercules. In that time, guys did not eat 7 meals at day, and there were not Weider systems or "supplements." He was a natural strong, down to earth man. Why Hercules should look like a bodybuilder anyway?

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LOL I came back here to say exactly what cpf27 and Father_Anthonis said-Green's appearance as Hercules has ample natural muscle.

It's like a big tide of jam coming toward us, but jam made out of old women

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To me, he was Hercules. In that time, guys did not eat 7 meals at day, and there were not Weider systems or "supplements." He was a natural strong, down to earth man. Why Hercules should look like a bodybuilder anyway?

If you think nobody in ancient times looked like a bodybuilder, type "Farnese Hercules" into google images and have a look. To quote Wikipedia:

The Farnese Hercules is an ancient sculpture, probably an enlarged copy made in the early third century AD and signed by a certain Glykon,[1] from an original by Lysippos (or one of his circle) that would have been made in the fourth century BC.

Eugene Sandow pioneered modern bodybuilding in the 19th century, and he claimed to have measured classical sculptures in museums to determine the "Grecian Ideal". To Sandow, these ancient statues were the prototype for the perfect physique. It's not that Hercules looks like a bodybuilder, it's bodybuilders that have always tried to look like Hercules!

As we can see from looking at the Farnese Hercules, artists have been portraying Hercules as being hugely muscular for over two thousand years. Casting him in this film as a rather flabby old guy can be excused as artistic license, but it's not historically accurate.

On a side note, I'm a fan of Ray Harryhausen and the old "Sword and Sandal" films. I really wish Ray Harryhausen had done stop-motion special effects for one of those crazy "muscle-man movies". Now that would be an epic!

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It's funny that people keep bringing up that Green was the perfect Greek interpretation of Hercules or Herakles. But this is the MOVIES and Reeves is and will always be Hercules.

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I grew up in the Fifties, and we watched all of the sword & sandal flicks that came along, with all of the musclebound actors playing Hercules. Well, I should have thought little of Nigel Green when I saw "JATA" at the drive-in in 1963, when I was about 12. No! I was enraptured by this interpretation of Hercules. This was the demigod I had read about in myths, the one shown in much of the artwork, not a mammothly muscled person but a man who might seem much like others except for his strength.

Who says Hercules is supposed to act nobly?! Who says he doesn't do stupid things?! That's the story of Herakles/Hercules! He makes mistakes, uses rash judgment, angers the wrong people, and ends up tragically. He even accidentally killed his music tutor in a fit of anger! His is mainly a rather sad life. The 12 Labors are penitence/punishment, not tributes to his strength. In some versions, in order to be saved from a horribly painful, lingering death, he is raised to godhood. Hercules was a hero in spite of himself. As far as I can recall, this movie is one of the few in which that show a less-than-heroic picture, one that humanizes the legendary character.

Nigel Green IS Hercules to me! I can admire other interpreters, including the musclemen. I think Kevin Sorbo was a bow to Nigel Green's interpretation: a guy not particularly well-built, taller maybe and perhaps not quite as reckless. For me, Hercules' behavior was believable throughout. Also, in some versions of the Jason story, Hercules did remain on the island to search for Hylas, who was stolen away by water nymphs. (In some of those versions, Hercules and Hylas were~ahem~paramours.)

Nigel Green as Hercules is just one of many reasons I have dearly loved this film for 47 years and will continue watching it every time I possibly can. By the way: I'll tune in for ANY movie Mr. Green is in!

~~MystMoonstruck~~

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EDIT: From Wikipedia:
After killing his music tutor Linus with a lyre, he was sent to tend cattle on a mountain by his foster father Amphitryon. Here, according to an allegorical parable, "The Choice of Heracles", invented by the sophist Prodicus (ca. 400 BC), he was visited by two nymphs—Pleasure and Virtue—who offered him a choice between a pleasant and easy life or a severe but glorious life: he chose the latter.

Later in Thebes, Heracles married King Creon's daughter, Megara. In a fit of madness, induced by Hera, Heracles killed his children by Megara. After his madness had been cured with hellebore by Antikyreus, the founder of Antikyra, he realized what he had done and fled to the Oracle of Delphi. Unbeknownst to him, the Oracle was guided by Hera. He was directed to serve King Eurystheus for ten years and perform any task, which he required. Eurystheus decided to give Heracles ten labours but after completing them, he said he cheated and added two more, resulting in the Twelve Labors of Heracles.

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I have not seen this in a while, but I remember not minding that his physique was not to overly hypertrophied, as he did a good job with the part.
Hercules/Herakles was never really depicted as average in most art. He does not have to look like a bodybuilder, but he should still show obvious signs of strength, which Nigel did not have.

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I was going to respond to some of the negative comments regarding Nigel Green's casting, but your post said everything I was going to say. I'm a year older than you, and I, too, remember seeing this film in the theater when it first came out, and I've enjoyed it ever since.

I also share you admiration for Nigel Green as an actor. I don't think I've ever seen him do anything less than an excellent job. His performance in "Zulu" as Colour Sergeant Bourne, the steady, unflappable rock who anchored all the other soldiers, was one of the most memorable performances in a film full of memorable performances.

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I'm not sure if you can see this image, but it can be found on the Wikipedia page for Heracles (not Hercules). This is a bronze from ancient Rome, and he and Nigel Green look quite similar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Heracles.jpg

Others picture Hercules as being without bulgy muscles yet strong, which is demonstrated when Hercules opens that door, as well as by his discus toss and making short work of challengers at the games to gather a crew:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mharrsch/543040702/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mharrsch/543147429/in/set-72157600345292902/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Francisco_de_Zurbar%C3%A1n_013.jpg

Unless they wanted to work in any of the Labors, there would not be as many opportunities to have Hercules show off his strength in this storyline. I appreciate that they included him in the quest but to have herculean displays might have made people think of those "sword & sandal" movies.

~~MystMoonstruck~~

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I can say it, too! He IS sexy! The voice, the whole look, the attitude: He is very appealing in this role. I generally do not like the bearded look, but he looks so perfect, roughhewn and untamed.

I was about 12-13 when I saw this movie. I developed a crush on Hylas and thought that Jason was handsome. I had to wait till I was more mature to realize that Hercules as brought to life by Nigel Green is verrrrry appealing! Besides the stop-motion creatures, he's definitely one of my favorite parts of the movie.

~~MystMoonstruck~~

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That first bronze statue does resemble him quite a bit. I appreciate that he has the full beard often associated with the character, and facially resembles him. That statue has far more muscle than Nigel has though, IMO.

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