So in 2021: Nuclear Annhilation Isn't a Worry Anymore?


It was a somewhat famous bit of Hollywood history that in 1964, two movies were released that had pretty much the same storyline and ending:

Fail-Safe

Dr. Strangelove: Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

Fail-Safe was dead serious; Strangelove was a satiric comedy and STILL serious.

Both films were about the threat of nuclear bombs being aimed at each other by America and Russia --"Mutually Assured Destruction"(MAD) though these films were about the bombs being delivered by planes.

This was in the sixties, when kids were still being given drills at school to "duck and cover" under their desks(in a failed belief that this would be the way to survive the blast) and when, two years before the release of Strangelove and Fail-Safe, America and Russia seemed to have pushed nuclear brinksmanship to the very edge during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962.

So the threat of nuclear annihilation hung like a monstrous cloud over much of the 60's, nursed along by these two 1964 nightmare scenarios that ended with the bombs being dropped and going off.

The threat of the Bomb continued on, and I'm sure there were some more nuclear-based movies in the 60's and the 70's (The Bedford Incident comes to mind) ...but it seemed like it was in 1983 that "Nuclear Bomb Hysteria" came back with three movies: War Games at movie theaters; "The Day After" on television(with its vision of America crawling out from under the Bomb BEING dropped) and, as I recall "Special Edition"(which posited the biggest new threat of our time: that Middle East terrorists get the Bomb...with no interest in diplomatic negotiation to stop it from being used.)

Still, it is now almost 60 years since Fail-Safe and Dr. Strangelove came out, and we've recently had a whole other dose of worldwide fear via the COVID-19 pandemic.

And I'm just sort of wondering: how come they don't make movies like Fail-Safe and Dr. Strangelove anymore? Did disarmament succeed? Are all the bombs gone?

Its like once the issue of nuclear annhilation stopped being "hot" for movies...it just went away.

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Yes, I wonder about that sometimes. The bombs are still there, more of them & bigger ones, too. And in many ways, the world is more unstable than it was during the Cold war, when there were basically just two powers, more or less equal, that held each other in check. Today, there are not only more random factors & ideologies, many of them are all too willing to die in the name of those ideologies, if they can take our their perceived enemies in doing so. To my mind, this is much more dangerous than Mutually Assured Destruction, because at least then, both sides really wanted to go on living.

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Yes, those are my thoughts as well.

I suppose a higher level governmental/scientific mind than mine, with historical research in place, could prove us wrong -- prove that the bombs HAVE gone away in many ways but....I'm not sure.

And I find it interesting that the nuclear movies of the 60's seem today almost like a "trend that died out."

Two additional notes:

George Clooney re-made Fail Safe for TV back in 2000...to little real impact.

Yes, the big danger -- and there HAVE been movies about this (True Lies for one) -- is keeping nukes out of the hands of our most irrational terrorists and stopping them from being able to build the bomb.

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Absolutely agree!

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>George Clooney re-made Fail Safe for TV back in 2000...to little real impact.

Do you mean "The Peacemaker"? I actually thought it was a great movie.

Otherwise, I agree with OP. Nuclear war is a proper danger that ought to be more discussed. I'm worried about unstable states like Pakistan having nuclear capabilities.

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>George Clooney re-made Fail Safe for TV back in 2000...to little real impact.

Do you mean "The Peacemaker"? I actually thought it was a great movie.

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The Peacemaker was a good film for Clooney -- an early one, too -- but, no, he actually produced a TV version of Fail Safe in 2000...I think he did it with video, in black and white like the original film, maybe even live. Richard Dreyfuss played the President(the Henry Fonda part), Hank Azaria played the villainous scientist politician(the Walter Matthau part), and Clooney himself played the pilot assigned to drop the bomb(or not) -- the Dan O'Herlihy part.

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Otherwise, I agree with OP. Nuclear war is a proper danger that ought to be more discussed. I'm worried about unstable states like Pakistan having nuclear capabilities.

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We shall see. Every year seems to bring the unthinkable to realistic life , these days.

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Nah ... we have many non-nuclear ways to kill ourselves off now! ;-)

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How about 2022?

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I was thinking this very same thought....

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Things certainly escalated in the last two years.

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Russia has literally been threatening to Nuke a different country EVERY week! Now it's been confirmed that Putin does in fact have Cancer and it makes more sense. Sure as hell doesn't make me feel safe. The world is at the Mercy of a Egomaniac with a terminal illness. I'm going to church Sunday.

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That's the spirit.

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It is now!

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After Ukraine blew up Putin's precious Kersh Bridge I feel like the world is just bracing itself for Putin to use a Nuke. After that I'm sure the United States will escalate it further as we can't back down from a Bully with a Nuke or Jim Jong Un will never stop being a problem.

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All that is going to do, as we've seen in yesterday's attacks against Kiev is the Russians are pissed and out for blood now.

There were negotiations in March in Turkey between Russia and Ukraine. They were coming to an agreement - and Boris Johnson flew in and called the thing off saying the West was not ready to stop. Threatening to pull support from Ukraine if Ukraine buckled and negotiated.

The deal was something close to, Russia keeps Crimea, a given anyway, the Donbad either gets ceded to Russia, or becomes an autonomous governing region. Ukraine pledges never to join NATO and to be neutral, and to disarm.

You can see how Ukraine disarming without promised of military support from the West would be a problem.

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Yup. Say hello to the people who matter in your life. Who knows how much longer our "betters" are going to allow us to be alive...

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> Fail-Safe was dead serious; Strangelove was a satiric comedy and STILL serious.

I could never take Dr. Strangelove as serious.

They don't make movies like this because the military doesn't like it. They would not cooperate with a movie studio today that mocked the military like they did in the past.

I don't think people get how must censorship we have - maybe more than we did in the past because it can all be automatic and mechanized and everyone is surveilled.

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SPOILERS

I could never take Dr. Strangelove as serious.

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Well, it pretty much does end with the end of the world. That's serious. But I suppose what the movie did with its comedy was to plant a permanent sense of "doomsday humor" in people's minds. Its hilarious how and why the world could end. Stop worrying. Love the Bomb. Over time, we would be able to take more human horrors -- which the world had long before the Bomb -- and find these things "kinda funny." (A 1970 movie called "Little Murders" posits a New York City where snipers are everywhere and you have to out-run or out-fox them just to get home safe.)

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They don't make movies like this because the military doesn't like it. They would not cooperate with a movie studio today that mocked the military like they did in the past.

I don't think people get how must censorship we have - maybe more than we did in the past because it can all be automatic and mechanized and everyone is surveilled.

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Yep. We gave up a lot of freedom and didn't even notice it. And Big Brother is ...ourselves.

And the censorship of Old Hollywood(aka The Hays/Breen Code) is pretty much back -- you cannot do or show a lot of things anymore. Back then it was The Church that ruled over movie releases (which is why movies that broke through that censorship managed to do so. Movies like Anatomy of a Murder, Some Like It Hot, Psycho, Dr. Strangelove, Bonnie and Clyde, The Graduate -- the church lost its power over movies..) Nowadays, another Church rules...

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We have evolving cycles of terrifying fears. We went from Nuclear annihilation to high jacked planes to AIDS to terrorism to COVID... if the top of my head, you can fill in others. It seems we can only be deathly afraid of one thing before we get complacent and move on to something else.

It's interesting that when I visited Switzerland 20 years ago I found that all new homes and apartments were still being built with fallout shelters decades after Americans stopped being obsessed with them.

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It's a worry.

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Russia just pulled out of resigning a nuclear arms treaty...
1 step closer.

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Our resident expert on détente, Sean Penn, has assured us that we need not worry about nuclear war.

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I remember a 70's issue of Mad with a picture of Alfred E. Neuman in the foreground of a nuclear reactor that appeared to be boiling over. The caption read, "Yes, me worry!" That was the only instance I know of when Mad altered his usual tagline.

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(aka ecarle, OP.)

Summer, 2023: Oppenheimer is released. Not a "Dr. Strangelove/Fail Safe" type story but again bringing the question of the very existence of the nuclear bomb front and center.

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