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Wayne and Marvin's Weird First Fight Scene


This negligible John Ford comedy (his last film with Wayne?) has a certain sweet nostalgia to it, as the Duke and Lee Marvin (still in his "great supporting player" phase) anchor a 60's version of a post WWII South Seas comedy sojourn that's not quite politically correct, today.

But there's one scene that always fascinates me in this thing. And it is very early in the movie.

Here's the set-up: Lee Marvin has jumped ship and swum to his old "home island," where he quickly heads over to the main village bar and puts out word that he's "home."

Island resident John Wayne -- Marvin's old Navy buddy -- gets wind of this, and jeeps on over to the bar, entering to find Marvin lounging against the bar in WAYNE's nice white suit and tie -- too big for Marvin. Marvin's chewing on a cigar, a bottle of whiskey near him on the bar.

One other man is present: big Mike Mazurki, playing a local officer of the law in a short-pants uniform that is amusing on the big man. Mazurski, too, is leaning against the bar, saying nothing.

Now, it gets interesting: Wayne and Marvin warily eye each other, somewhat circle each other, exchange greetings. It's Marvin's birthday. Each man says barely a word to each other (Marvin's mumble of "Yeah, that's right" is almost below his breath), but its clear that Marvin has come here to expressly celebrate his birthday in some...specific way.

As the two men silently eye each other, Wayne turns his back for a moment. Marvin raises the whiskey bottle to hit him -- but Wayne turns back, and Marvin puts it down before Wayne can see.

Now Wayne approaches the silent cop Mazurski, and delivers the next line in impeccable "Wayne-ese":

"Why haven't you thrown this guy in the brig! The hoosegow!"

It's a funny, weird line, spoken by Wayne with a poetic edge ("The brig! The hoosegow!" are given poetic weight.)

Mazurski says little or nothing in response, and then this long, near silent scene suddenly turns into a big brawl between Wayne and Marvin, just like the good old days of Fordian moviemaking.

I gotta say it: there is a bizarre homoerotic charge to this scene! Wayne and Marvin seem to eye each other like men longing to "be together." What they're really looking to do -- in the old-time movie manner -- is have a big physical brawl because that's what manly men did back then, I guess.

Still, I find the scene funnier than hell, and not necessarily for the right reasons. Ford just lets the silences build -- and keeps Mike Mazurki standing there stock still -- and builds up to the fight as carefully as he can.

But the main thing I love is Wayne's line, floating through the silence with its own weird, sharp, power:

"The brig! The hoosegow!"

I mean, how long has it been since you've heard the word "hoosegow" in a movie?




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Did you have a point?

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Yes: I just love this weird, weird scene. Watch it some time. You'll see.

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I've watched it many times. Also, I read your post several times and could not conclude that you liked it. Also, the reference to homoeroticism in the fight scene required an extremely overactive imagination. Or are you one of those people that make the illogical jump that same-sex friendship is merely veiled sexual attraction?



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Dramatics? What dramatics? It's true that Ecarle was probably just making an observation, but does that mean there should be no follow-up comments? What's the point of a forum if not to generate/encourage dialogue?

BTW, I appreciate the comment of "get over yourself". It spared me the task of having to guess your age.

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Hi, I've been away awhile, and I actually do appreciate you looking at the scene.

Funny thing is that, no, I'm not one of those folks who thinks that male-buddy friendship scenes (especially in older movies) are invariably homoerotic. For instance I don't think that buddies Yul Brynner and Steve McQueen in "The Magnificent Seven" or "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" are homoerotic. They're friends.

And if I think the one scene in "Donovan's Reef" IS homoerotic...that's not entirely what I think about it, either.

It's just an odd scene to me, with the timing kind of slowed-down and anticipatory, like a love scene. I probably see it more for its weird comedy than its gayish nature (but that does seem to be there, too.)

Moreover, I just love -- as a matter of comedy, not homoeroticism -- how Wayne suddenly says, "Why isn't he in the brig -- the hoosegow?" Just a funny reading of the line.

Anyway, thanks for watching the scene. Now at least I know one other person has seen it.

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I saw that scene today for the 10th time and I think it's funny but I don't see anything other than two men who have some sort of tradition of fighting on their shared birthday (December 7th). Wayne knows what to expect and is warily trying to shake Marvin's hand. If you look at it that way, that explains why both men are eying each other without saying much. THe part that makes me laugh is seeing Marvin lift that bottle off the bar when John Wayne turns his back to him.

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"I've watched it many times. Also, I read your post several times and could not conclude that you liked it. Also, the reference to homoeroticism in the fight scene required an extremely overactive imagination."

Hmmmm. What exactly did happen, on that tin can?

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I mean, how long has it been since you've heard the word "hoosegow" in a movie?

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I thought that scene was freakin awesome!!
I just saw this movie for the 1st time today. I was laughing so hard at that whole scene. The whole friendship between these 2 guys is great.

Later in the movie there is another bar-room brawl. Everyone is punching everyone...then they have a beer...then they start punching each other again.

That scene is a classic.

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Aw...(as John Wayne would say)...I give up.

I'm not one for deleting my first opinions, but I think I'll withdraw the idea that there is anything "gay" about this scene. Forget I said that.

It IS a very funny scene. The timing IS perfect. Wayne and Marvin together ARE great. Even Mike Mazurki as the cop just standing there is perfect.

And "hoosegow" is said very funnily by Wayne. I can't remember it from "Roger Rabbit." Who said it?

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I think you're reading an awful lot into this trifle of a movie...It is a lot of fun to watch.

It always seemed to me that Ford and Wayne just needed an excuse to spend the Winter in Hawaii (much like they spent the Summer in Ireland eleven years earlier filming The Quiet Man).

Hoosegow!!!

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The whole point of that sequence was nothing homoerotic or especially comedic or even connected with the rest of the movie's plot (in which Marvin's Gilhooly character sinks silently into the background and stays there). It's Ford reliving old glories, namely "The Quiet Man" and that protracted fight scene between Wayne and Victor McLaglen.

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Methinks we do protest too much...Ford WAS harkening back to some glorious moments from Quiet Man. Ecarle focuses on that first scene when he might scroll on down to the scene with Miss D, the scene when she first enters Guns' bar and requests to charter the yacht. The same elements are there, the director is slowing a moment down, something that in these modern times I can recall most blatantly and literally in Mission Impossible 3 when Larry stands over Tom in the stripes bleed red scene. An intimacy mixed with hostility. There was an intimacy between Lee and The Duke in that pre-fight scene. That is all.

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Did anyone ever stop to think that THIS IS A JOHN FORD MOVIE starring JOHN WAYNE *AND* LEE MARVIN?? I mean, John Ford owes it to the audience to show these two guys beatin' hell into each other. Not only did I see this fight scene coming a mile away, I kept thinking to myself "I am going to be really disappointed if these guys don't beat the crap out of each other within five minutes minutes of meeting each other." I wished that was the whole movie, simply because John Wayne can't pull it off as a romantic lead. I found "North to Alaska" disappointing for the same reason. Still, they brawl, they drink, they save a church, John Wayne gets the girl in the end and even spanks her on camera! Come to think of it, I guess he "gets her in the end" in more ways than one! To top it off, it takes place on a South Pacific island that has a big ten-foot tiki standing by to greet everyone that shows up.
Anyway, the fight scene is a great scene. While you make a strong argument for a homoerotic reading of that scene, like everyone else I must disagree. I just can't imagine that these two guys - both the actors and the characters they play - are even SLIGHTLY gay. But, it's just one person's reading of a scene. If 100 people see a movie, they will see 100 different movies. Each person has their own unique experience of viewing a movie.

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Well said, rockdontrun!

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You would have a better chance of getting honesty from Hillary than you would finding a homosexual tendency in either of those guys.

It has been written that John Wayne refused to work with Montgomery Clift because he was a Butt Pirate...

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This is one of my very favorite films, and the idea that they're attracted to each other never crossed my mind. The Duke's characters were always macho men in my eyes.

Why ain't you at the garden party you heathen?

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This is the movie in which Mazurski, in a fight scene, almostloses his Foreign Legion-type cap, and if I remember correctly, he reaches up and rights it on his head before it can fall off. Another director might have done another take of the scene, or preferred some other existing take. Not Ford. The moment is sublime and hysterical.

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Uhhh... that scene made me want to own the movie on DVD, such random fun lighthearted carnage!

It's not as weird as you make it out to be, they're just re-engaging their old spat from their days in the war.

Seeing all those bottles get smashed around is a blast though, they don't make'em like they used to that's for sure

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Has anyone ever noticed that the fight scenes in John Wayne movies are very similar? You have a bit of fisticuffs and then a break for booze of some kind and then back to the fight.John not being romantic? Try Hatari and all the ones he made with Maureen O'Hara especially the kiss in "Quiet Man" during the storm? Lee Marvin not able to do comedy? What about him in "Paint Your Wagon" and "Cat Ballou" in which he got the Oscar?

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