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Personal growth among the characters...


There isn't any. None, zip, nada!

Well, a little, about the only person who discovers the strength to meet this insane challenge is Lydia, Mitch's annoying mother. At the end, she's gone from whining about herself to comforting others, and that's about it. Melanie and Annie are destroyed by the birds, Mitch starts out stolidly dutiful and stays stolidly dutiful, Cathy stays a clueless child, etc.

There's no real character development, and no standard hero arc. That's why I'm not the only one who regards this film as lacking in emotional depth.

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The film takes place over a long weekend, doesn't it?

But considering that time limit I think Melanie goes from being a spoiled entitled rich girl that gets humbled and finds her humanity. She cares about helping others and grows out of her own bratty self involved ego. She's in shock at the very end ..but she'll survive and be all the better for it.

The mother went from being a passive aggressive manipulative bitch to coming to care about Melanie and not considering her a threat. The experience changed her.
Thank goodness!

Mitch is a good guy that proved he was everything he seemed he was.
How rare is that?

And the Love birds refused to turn on them all despite all the peer pressure..
Great birds!

Lot's of growth here!

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"But considering that time limit I think Melanie goes from being a spoiled entitled rich girl that gets humbled and finds her humanity. She cares about helping others and grows out of her own bratty self involved ego. She's in shock at the very end ..but she'll survive and be all the better for it."

i agree about Melanie.
she was pretty bland in the beginning

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The Birds sets a formula for these sorts of horror films - bland plot with characters nobody really cares about, then the big threat shows up, and the storyline is sidelined for the set pieces. Technically, The Birds is brilliant, but I can’t remember a thing about the human characters.

Cloverfield follows the same formula. So does the recent Godzilla king of monsters.

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Wow! I had a completely different reaction to this film. I got so engrossed in the story, all the repartee between Mitch and Melanie, etc. in the first act, I actually completely forgot it was going to turn into a horror movie about birds. I would have actually really liked the movie even more if they just kept going in that vein and skipped all the birds stuff.

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Mitch is a good guy that proved he was everything he seemed he was.
How rare is that?

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Actually, I don't think that Mitch was all that good a guy before the birds went nuts.

He's a trial lawyer and early on in The Birds, he keeps angrily treating Melanie like a "lying witness on the stand." Both in the bird shop(where he plays a vengeful prank on Melanie for HER pranks) and by the car at his Bodega Bay home(Melanie is seated in the open convertible like a witness in the stand as Mitch "tears apart her lies.")

Mitch is dutifully sacrificial to his mother and sister with his father dead, but as a man, he's somewhat of an arrogant ass(and -- he's a criminal defense lawyer who represents "thugs" -- a Mafia lawyer maybe? There was SOME Mafia in San Francisco at that time, I think. He also defended a man who killed his wife for turning off the ballgame on TV.)

But the birds throw all that away in Mitch...he becomes a hero. A beset hero -- the only male in a houseful of screeching "chicks."

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And the Love birds refused to turn on them all despite all the peer pressure..
Great birds!

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Were those birds great, or what? DESPITE all the peer pressure! Hah!

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There's no real character development, and no standard hero arc. That's why I'm not the only one who regards this film as lacking in emotional depth.

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There is an irony, here.

In 1963 interviews while promoting The Birds, Hitchcock was willing to downgrade his own last hit -- Psycho -- by saying something like:

"In The Birds, the characters are in depth and go through emotional change. In Psycho the characters in the second half are mainly figures."

I think Hitchcock had it almost completely backwards -- one of the reasons that Psycho WAS a big hit -- and the screamable shocks were first and foremost the reason it was a hit -- the people WERE interesting. We became involved in the emotional and financial plight of Marion Crane(Janet Leigh) and her boyfriend Sam(living in the backroom of his family hardware store) and the worry of Lila Crane over her missing sister, and even in the "cool and detached private eye" who slowly reveals a caring side and dies with our sympathy.

Also -- psychos, sexy ladies and private eyes are inherently interesting. Psycho has all three -- The Birds does not(even Tippi is rendered "matronly.")

Hitchcock gave those interviews on the characters in The Birds, I believe, because he was really hoping to finally win an Oscar. It was the only success marker in Hollywood he still didn't have at the time.

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Seems like you put these two replies in the wrong place.

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Mine? OK...but one was meant to examine Mitch's "character development"(I don't think he starts as a good guy at all), and the other was to draw attention to Hitchocck's contention that The Birds DID have character development, and more of it than Psycho -- and I disagree with Hitchcock there on the Psycho comparison. Hitch may not have even realized that the characters in Psycho were better developed and interesting than his characters in The Birds.

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Agree that the characters in "Psycho" are better developed, or at least, Norman and Marion are. In fact, it could be argued that "Psycho" is largely a character study of Norman. Most of the film's suspense is in fact built around a long dive into the depths of Norman's abnormal psychology.

"The Birds" would be a better film if it'd done the same for Melanie, but we don't delve into her depths and we aren't given the feeling that she has any depths, she's just presented as a beautiful thing being destroyed by the Birds. Now the main characters of both "Psycho" and "The Birds" end the film seemingly catatonic and broken, but we're fascinated by Norman all the same, and well. Melanie is never fascinating.

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Agree that the characters in "Psycho" are better developed, or at least, Norman and Marion are.

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Hitchcock rather agreed -- he said "the characters in the second half are merely figures" -- which seemed to track with critic Robin Wood's contention that Lila, Arbogast and Sam were just "tools for the search" and represented US as we went through all the terrors in the house.

But through the writing and the acting(Balsam especially, but Miles too, and yes, even Gavin) these "figures" were very interesting characters, I think. I think Hitchcock in pushing The Birds characters as more "in-depth" was, frankly, fishing for Oscar -- the one goal that had eluded him.

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In fact, it could be argued that "Psycho" is largely a character study of Norman.

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Though would track with Robin Wood's assessment. We are with Marion for 30 minutes mainly to misdirect us and "eat up time"(albeit with a classic story of paranoia and guilt); once Marion meets Norman, the movie moves Norman to the center and we watch all the characters interact with him even as we spend "private time" with him cleaning up Marion's murder, etc.

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Most of the film's suspense is in fact built around a long dive into the depths of Norman's abnormal psychology.

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Yep. One of the most fascinatingly "inscrutable" characters in screen history. And so powerful a character that it was rather unfair for ANYONE in The Birds to try to match him. The Birds was Hitchcock's valiant attempt to match or exceed Psycho, and he couldn't really. Because Psycho was so UNIQUE a story, with such a UNIQUE lead in Norman Bates(a "villain" portrayed weirdly as a "hero" of sorts.)

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"The Birds" would be a better film if it'd done the same for Melanie, but we don't delve into her depths and we aren't given the feeling that she has any depths, she's just presented as a beautiful thing being destroyed by the Birds.

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No, neither Melanie as a character or Tippi Hedren as an actress get to those depths. Interestingly, Tippi Hedren one film later as "Marnie" gets closer to the Norman Bates abnormal mentality(less the homicidal urges.)

But this: there is a scene early in The Birds where Melanie talks at night in the home of Annie, WITH Annie-- and if you look at the camera angles and placement of the women, this scene is clearly intended to MATCH the famous parlor scene between Norman and Marion. At this point in the story, Annie is perhaps the most psychologically damaged character in "The Birds"(she is a San Franciscan dumped by Mitch, but living near him as if haunted by him), and Annie makes direct references to Lydia NOT being someone like Mrs. Bates(Lydia is not "clinging and demanding" but rather widowed and terrified of abandonment.) So this scene LOOKS like the parlor scene in Psycho, but cannot really escape the shadow OF the Psycho parlor scene.

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but we're fascinated by Norman all the same, and well. Melanie is never fascinating.

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No, she's not very fascinating. And she's rather oddly drawn-up. We're told of her penchant for practical jokes and for being a "party girl," but we see a pretty staid, dull, and shallow "rich girl." Mitch is poorly written , too. He's a criminal DEFENSE ATTORNEY(represents "thugs," says his sister) but he acts like a judgmental law-and-order PROSECUTOR with Melanie. Melanie and Mitch simply don't make much sense. For this, I can only blame screenwriter Evan Hunter -- who was quite an accomplished novelist, but couldn't deliver the goods here.

I would add that one reason that Norman IS fascinating is that his placid exterior masks the most vicious and arbitrary of killers. Hitchcock went to that well one more time -- with homicidal rapist-strangler Bob Rusk in Frenzy. Frenzy screenwriter Anthony Shaffer said "homicidal psychopaths are fascinating, aren't they?" ...and Rusk is interesting in roughly the same way as Norman: a "nice guy"(more cheery and extroverted than Norman) who masks a sexual maniac within. A monster. If Rusk isn't as fascinating as Norman, I suppose it is because a non-star plays him, and he simply doesn't get the screen time or back story to matter as much as Norman.

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Now the main characters of both "Psycho" and "The Birds" end the film seemingly catatonic and broken,

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...and this DOES elevate The Birds closer to the achievement of Psycho. Both films -- in different ways -- play as very serious and profound works that entertained audiences even as they were taken "to the dark side."

On a "micro" level, the surviving Psycho characters will be guilty and haunted forever by what happened to Marion Crane(maybe to Arbogast, too -- Marion got HIM killed when she stole the money in the first place and he was hired to find her.) On a "macro" level, the surviving characters in The Birds may be facing a world that will NEVER be the same.

Sobering films. And yet -- exciting and fun. And The Birds is an incredible technical achievement, far more difficult to pull off than Psycho.

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