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Why are there not many real chinese people in the cast ?


Answer is simple : 1900 Peking has been completely rebuidt in SPAIN ! (Exactly as was Rome in "Fall of the roman Empire", an other great Samuel Bronston's production). The most amazing is that colossal reconstitution is very close from the 1900 reality, as I could see it watching old photos. I must mention one exception : The real forbidden city (you can see this one in Bertolucci's "The last emperor") that doesn't really look like the film one. But frankly, it is a minor weakness. But that explains the unasian faces you can see from time to time in the film.

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There were not many Asian actors and all the cast spoke English, anyway. Ava Gardner did not look one bit chinese yet she was supposed to be one.

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Eh ? She's supposed to be russian ! It is his former lover (general Jung-Lu who was chinese.

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If I recall correctly the film's orginal publicity, Gardner plays a Eurasian born of one Russian and one Chinese parent.

'55 Days' was made by a Hollywood director for a studio that knew its U.S., British, and Commonwealth audiences would be more likely to spend to see actors whose faces they recognized and whose reputations they esteemed instead of then-unknown Chinese actors. It also didn't augur well for the casting of Chinese that, back then, Mao was just beginning to inflict deliberately and pitilessly on the Chinese people the denunciations and kangaroo court trials (for "counterrevolutionary thoughts and acts"), and the mass-starvations, imprisonments, and slaughters of his so-called "Cultural Revolution."

Most of all there were almost no Chinese actors in major roles because, after all, cinema is all about PRETEND.

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As I remember the movie it was about the people IN the legation and not about the natives. That's how things were. to the Eurpoeans the chinese meant very little. trade WAS most important. The Americans played a major part in the defense but a minor part in the relief. Anyway the chinese were secondary to the STORY

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In this films was acting a paraguayan actor and director, Guillermo Vera. In Spain, where he studied actinG and direction, he work as extra en many films like: "55 Days at Peking" (1963), as actor in films like " El Llanero" (1963),
"Le tre spade di Zorro" (1963) y "El Hombre de la diligencia" (1964). In Paraguay he was directed many documentarIEs and the super production "Cerro Cora" (1979, about the War of the Triple Alliance, where the principal characters are Marshall Francisco Solano López and Madame Elisa Lynch.

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Anyway the chinese were secondary to the STORY

Which is why this film is call "55 days in some city or other".

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The film was shot in Spain, beleieve it or not.
Heston talks about how they hired every Chinese they could find in Europe to be extras, but still had to fake it. Heston joked the you could not get a good Chinese dinner in Paris or London because the people who ran the restaurants were off fighting the Boxer Rebellion for Sam Bronson.

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<<If I recall correctly the film's orginal publicity, Gardner plays a Eurasian born of one Russian and one Chinese parent. >>

Are you sure you aren't thinking of the little girl in the film, Teresa, the daughter of Heston's executive officer, who was half-Chinese, half-American?

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Gardner's character is a fallen Russian noble women,therefore very unlikely to be a Eurasian. I think someone is confusing Gardner's character with the Daughter of the American Marine,who was played by an American of mixed descent.


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I don't know why the thread question is such a mystery. It was standard practice in American and most European movies from the earliest days of film until well into the 60s to cast Occidental actors in leading (though not supporting) Oriental roles. Think of the Charlie Chan films (C.C. was played by two Swedes!), Mr. Moto (by a Hungarian), "Ann and the King of Siam" and "The King and I" (a Thai played by a Brit and a Russian), and scores more. Not to mention such unlikely casting as Robert Armstrong (Carl Denham of the 1933 "King Kong") playing Hideki Tojo in James Cagney's movie "Blood on the Sun" (1945), or Englishman H.B. Warner as Chang the Tibetan in "Lost Horizon" (1937), which brought him an Oscar nomination.

Secondary, non-romantic roles were usually assigned to actual Chinese or Japanese or Korean (or whatever) actors. Of course, "Oriental" actors of one nationality routinely got roles playing other Oriental nationalities, especially during the war, when most Japanese were interned in the US, and Korean or Chinese actors played Japanese, but again these were always in supporting parts. A Chinese actor in Britain named Ley On played an Eskimo in "49th Parallel" (1941).

The Occidental actors in "55" who played lead Chinese roles were Flora Robson, Leo Genn and Robert Helpmann. For the era, I thought Robson and especially Helpmann did a very convincing job, but Genn was hopelessly unbelievable.

Such casting is no longer "p.c.", of course, but even so, a person like Chow Yun-Fat got cast as the King of Siam in the recent "Anna and the King", and he is very definitely not Thai. I suppose it's similar to an actor of English descent playing a German, or an Italian playing a Greek, all of which is the rule, not the exception, in Hollywood. Look at all the "ethnics" (including a Filipino, a Chinese and an Eskimo) Anthony Quinn played -- among dozens of other ethnicities (Greeks, Italians, American Indians, Russians, Portugese, Mexicans -- everything except an Irishman, which Quinn half was).

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Back in the day, actors welcomed the chalenge of playing characters of other races. Today, PC people call it racist and unfair to keep the other races from performing parts to match their race. The truth is, name actors are a box office draw and the bottom line is the name of the game, it's business, not a laboritory for social engineering.

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No, more often than not, portrayals of Asians by whites are usually just caricatures and not "real" acting. I shudder to think what would have happened had Madonna gotten her way when she lobbied for a role in Memoirs of a Geisha.

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Prince Tuan's (sp.?) accent was pretty bad, I have to say.

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Prince Tuan was played by Australian ballet dancer Robert Helpmann.

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burrell dale,
Perhaps the PC people should attempt to perform a difficult and unlikely act of self-impregnation?

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That is only one reason. A very important reason is that in 1960s Hollywood, casting an actual Chinese in a leading role would be borderline scandalous.

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Hell, Benson Fong, Victor Sen Young and Keye Luke were all alive when this flick was made. Why weren't they hired? And the filmmakers could've passed off Richard Loo and Philip Ahn if need be! Still, not as ridiculous as casting in GENGHIS KHAN. James Mason & Robert Morley as Chinese and the following as Mongols: Omar Sharif (title role!), Telly Savalas, Stephen Boyd, Woody Strode, Michael Hordern and blonde, blue-eyed Francoise Dorleac (sp?)

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Because if they appeared in this film, Mao's communist gov't would try to find them; hunt them down; and kill them. That's why thousands of Chinese in Europe did NOT want to appear in this film.

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Also it would have been pretty hard to film it on location in Mao's Communist China of the 1960s. Considering within a few years after the filming of this movie "The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution" started.













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