this looks like the Orson clip
Wonder why Orson's voice was dubbed.
Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rh5d8AxvrM
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I guess it was dubbed for non english speaking audiences. Are you sure that's Orson? His face looks a bit. . .boxish.
Last film seen: Robert Bresson's Pickpocket - Brilliant!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053168/
Sure, it's Orson dubbed in Italian! He's reading a book about "Mamma Roma", Pasolini's film
I'm Winston Wolf, I solve problems
And no dream is ever... just a dream...
It's definitely him, he was already getting a bit fat by then.
He's actually speaking Italian in the role but they over-dubbed his voice with someone else's.
I love Bresson's Pickpocket!
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My source is quite reliable since it's the man himself being interviewed by Peter Bogdanovich in "This is Orson Wells".
What is yours then?
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I think YOU are making the mistake of thinking I don't know what I'm talking about pal, I was raised watching classic Italian cinema from the second I was born.
I know both about La Ricotta's cutting after the trial and the choice of voice for Orson, fact is that Pasolini still thought it would have been ideal to have Orson's original voice but that turned out to be a point of compromise with the producers and since it was just the accent that was an issue, Bassani was his other deal-making favourite choice.
Another fact is that you talk like you don't seem to know that, regardless if Pasolini liked the voice-dubbing technique or not, EVERY single movie produced in Italy up to the mid 80s was dubbed in post-production since there was no such thing as live sound-recording for several reasons, and the voices you hear in the original sound, do not belong to the faces you see on screen in most cases; just saying in case it wasn't clear.
Just because Rizzoli produced all those great movies did not make him immune from idiotic choices, I do not know however if it was anything to do with him personally in this case.
The main prize for both idiocy and genius in production though should probably be shared between Dino De Laurentiis and Carlo Ponti.
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The weird use of dubbing, what you call "compromise"...
You just like distorting whatever the sense of what I write mister, that's your interpretation. I think the only "weird" here might be yourself.
Again, this only prove that dubbing a foreign actor was the common way, and has nothing to do with idiotic producers.
Again: and who the hell was arguing against that fact???? Do you need a basic lesson in English? "Dubbing" a voice and "using" a voice are not the same thing at all!
What I meant is that the dubbing process was something that was happening anyway for all the actors involved but they could have still used Orson's original voice at the sound-recording session, like they did for some other actors, if they wanted to.
And that's the only intellingent thing you have written in your last three posts.
Which takes the score up to 1 - 0 in my favour mr.I-know-it-all-even-though-I-was-never-there; I begin to suspect this might be all actually about football, did Italy kicked your cour country's ass in the European competition recently? Non that I remotely care, just a thought.
But besides all of that, why the hell do you give a toss on whoever I call an "idiot", how's that any of your goddam business? Are you part of some sort PC internet policing group? Haven't you got better causes to pursue or are you really that sad and lonely?
Are you part of the Rizzoli family by any chance? If not please go waste yours and other people's time on more worthwhile causes.
Is that clear?
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You are the one who started insulting me, buffoon. I don't dream mate, but seriously why don't you try translating the rest? Is "Vaff.." all you can say to settle your judgement?
Pasolini would have most probably understood or loved trying to understand it, why shouldn't you? Not a fan of the peasantry or what Pasolini really loved I guess?
Shame, you sound like the sort of stuck-up bookworm intellectual he used to piss all over their heads.
Well, I guess you've learnt the lesson.
Well I guess you are probably still a complete "facc d' cazz" but unfortunately I will still use that source whenever suits me in the future since yourself are still nowhere the literary reputation of Bagdanovich or just his left buttock's wart, nevermind Pasolini's, and neither you'll ever come close to be if your contribution keeps being summed up in pedanticly repeating facts, however accurate, that someone else apart from you has written or putting numbers next to a film name. share
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No. I called you the same way that you called a producer, insulting him for no reason but your ignorance.
I suppose you are the Santa Maria Goretti of the World Wide Web, trying to clean every offensive word from the internet, but at the cost of adding more gratuitous insults.
Whoah, if that's your reaction to that you might want to stay clear from about 99% of other forums on the web, you serioulsy have a hard job to do.
..... Inoltre, ho poca simpatia per i terroni che insultano in dialetto, sperando magari di non essere capiti.
Why don't you try and translate this in your horrific terronesque jargon, idiot?
I will when you make the effort to translate mine, this-for-that: isn't it fair?
Horrific maybe your grotesque bimbo mind, go read some of Pasolini's poetry for more horrific jargon.
You seriously are a funny man in your contradictions though, you know? It's so funny that you go to such extent to defend Pasolini's producers yet using the word "terrone" as an insult completely ignoring the fact that Pasolini absolutely loved the "terroni", their rough language and their culture, wrote poetry about them and even cast them in his movies, preferring them to educated actors.
You don't really give a toss about the man's art or philosophy, do you? This argument is all purely to pump up your own ego: carry on, you are doing extremely well!
A thing that will shock the rest of the world, I guess.
That's not surprising, since you have already proved to be a pompous idiot who cannot understand a movie. You are just a little better than Bogdanovich, just to say.
Another thing that will shock the rest of the world, I guess.
You are so above Bogdanivich and god knows who else, and certainly you are the absolute master of film criticism even though you have not actually spoken a single critical word about "understand a movie" for this whole thing but only mentioned events surrounding the movie; and in all your other posts your mass of critcal thought consists of adding numbers next to a film title, that's so clever: you are to cinema what a result commentator on TV is to football, aka you are really nowhere close to the field, are you? share
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You are the one who has started insulting, go back reading what you have written, I might have called call someone "imbecile" but it was neither you or intended in a mean way unlike you constant rant.
Still, in the end, there is not a single line among what you wrote that actually disproves that the episode I have mentioned could have not also happened, you are just going on describing generic facts about Pasolini's modus operandi but saying nothing that automatically voids Welles' version of the facts or any reliable source that comments on that thing specifically. I am sure someone will appreciate the info anyway.
But thanks for calling me a terrone my friend, I would not ever expected such an high compliment from you, as you might know, according to Pasolini, terroni are among the noblest people on earth, that's why he abandoned his origins to live among them, avoiding acid middle-class, snotty, university-educated kids like you are, or at least act the part to perfection.
Yeah I know I'm funny with my exaggerated reactions, what other way would be to act since there's no one else in your real life to make you feel alive with self-accomplised feelings, vividly reacting to your repressed emotions and therefore sooth your lack of self-esteem? ;)
Always your dear beloved (and quite proud) terrone "the Professicchio".
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