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Good film but...(SPOILERS)


...for one with a realistic approach to the nature of police work, I really can't overlook a couple of glaring problems with its credibility.

1)The killer leaving the girl's suitcases in the hallway is absurd, however rushed he was supposed to be. Evidently, this was just a device to introduce the mystery of the girl's initials, but there should have been a cuter way to achieve this.

2)It's unbelievable that Fellows and Wilks, having established that Jean Sherman had been up close and very personal with the killer, would have upped and left without questioning her to every aspect of his appearance and behaviour. When Fellows asks her, 'What did he look like?', he's apparently satisfied with her answer that he looked 'nice' and 'handsome'. Surely she would have been whisked off to a police artist or identikit specialist immediately.

Something else about this interview is problematic. Fellows asks, "You've never known a man by the name of John Campbell, tall, dark hair, middle forties?" The description of the killer they've been working with is that he's in mid-thirties. Was this just a slip-up or does it suggest there may have been some reworking of the script during production?

And one final issue: why was Mrs Banks brought in at the end to help compose the identikit; hadn't it already been established that the Campbell she thought she saw was actually Clyde Burchard?

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And one final issue: why was Mrs Banks brought in at the end to help compose the identikit; hadn't it already been established that the Campbell she thought she saw was actually Clyde Burchard?
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There was no intention of composing an identikit, at that point they knew that Tenby, the Estate Agent was the murderer. The idea was to find an excuse to get all the people that had seen the man they knew as John Campbell together so that Jean Sherman and the Airport Manger would recognise and identify Tenby as him.

Maybe they asked Mrs Banks along as a red-herring to divert Tenby from the idea that he was the suspect. Tenby knew that he had never met Mrs Banks and the knowledge that she would be there would be a factor that would convince him that they were not closing in on him.

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That doesn't make sense. I'll have to read the book but in the film there was no scene suggesting that, and anyway what difference would it make.

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Altho73 says > There was no intention of composing an identikit, at that point they knew that Tenby, the Estate Agent was the murderer.
I agree with you; in a way. The identikit was a ruse but I don't think it was for Tenby's sake. He had been called in once before and was told he might be asked to come back again at some point.

I thought the ruse about the identikit was to throw the reporter, and, of course, the viewers, off track. The reporter learned through a leak that there had been a second woman but he didn't know who it was. The detectives neither confirmed nor denied. Tenby didn't know they knew about Jean but if the reporter wrote about some other women, maybe he'd focus on Mrs. Banks; Tenby wouldn't have cared.

The main detective thought Tenby was the murderer but it was merely a hunch; they had no proof. At that point, they didn't even have a cause of death. Having all the parties come in at once would, as it did, answer one question - who was the man. If the theory hadn't panned out, they could have proceeded with the identikit and no one would have been the wiser; including the reporter. As we saw, even after they got a positive ID on Tenby, they still needed to prove murder; he was claiming Joan's death was an accident or self-defense.


Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

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I know. Was the rental agent miscast or somwthing? The younger detective fit the Campbell type better than he did. I was expecting a thirty-ish handsome blue collarish man, not a tall and lanky antiquarian!

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vilafire says > Was the rental agent miscast or somwthing? The younger detective fit the Campbell type better than he did.
I don't know why you'd say that. As I recall, the initial description of 'Campbell' came from Trenby himself. He was the first person they found who had actually seen and interacted with Campbell; what he said carried a lot of weight.

Later, the neighbor, Mrs. Banks, and the grocery delivery guy, gave the detectives a description of Campbell but it turned out to be the the vacuum cleaner salesman. Jean never gave a physical description of the man she had met on the train; she only talked about the twinkle in his eye and how she felt about him. The people who had worked with both Joan and Campbell, as they were still calling him, were interviewed off camera so we never heard what they said but, clearly, they gave the detectives the most accurate description they'd gotten to that point. I believe that's what led the detective to suspect that Tenby might be their guy.

I was expecting a thirty-ish handsome blue collarish man, not a tall and lanky antiquarian!
That's exactly why the movie works as well as it does; especially the reveal at the end. Jean, Joan, and all the other women he had romanced were enamored with the guy. That made it easy for us to accept that he was a dashing young man. We were given a hint early on that he might be a much older man with graying hair but we dismissed it because it didn't fit our stereotypical view of the kind of man we were hearing about. As a result, we never saw what was coming; even as it was unfolding.


Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

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Excellent film, which I somehow missed on release (I suppose that makes me an antiquarian plus in vilafire's eyes!) but have now seen twice on TV. However there seems to me to be a plot glitch right at the end which no-one else appears to have spotted so I might be misreading it. Anyhow, here goes.

The murderer more or less confesses but claims that it was an accident, saying that he panicked and bought the tools for dismembering the body AFTERWARDS (on the Monday). The police accept that they therefore have no proof of murder but once his claim is proved to be a lie as he could not have bought them then, it is clearly regarded by them as proof of intent. Nevertheless the opening sequence implies pretty strongly that he resorts to murder only after being told by the girl of her pregnancy and of her wish to make the relationship permanent. If that is the case then surely he would not have arrived 'armed' and, murder though the audience know it to be, the police are again without proof. Although the murderer has claimed to have bought the tools on a day when he could not have done so (that would probably not apply nowadays, by the way), it would surely not be beyond him to claim that he had made the purchase a day or so later and in his panic had forgotten the exact day. Given the events at the start, the actual purchase date claim, though not his assertion of an accident, could even be true.

One further point (I'll ignore what appears to be a fictitious football match missed by Jack Warner) I don't quite follow the claim made elsehere that if one reads the IMDb cast list before watching the film it will reveal who the murderer is. Some way into the film this may be so but surely not beforehand.

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