Unimpressed


Curious what people think.

I'm not interested in "bashing" this movie, but after decades of praise I finally rented it and it left me rather nonplussed. First, I do think the writing was elegant and complemented the story well. In fact I thought the story was fine as well. However, my problem lies with the execution of the piece.

Non of the "actors" were convincing, and looked like just Marker's pals. The girl was probably the only one who was acceptable. For something so dependant on visuals, you need some good faces. Chaplin, Keaton, and many others working in sound, like Leone were far more adept at selling a character through an ugly mug or an expressive face.

The photography seemed amatuerish and really quite unpleasant. Again, it looked like they just shot with available light rather than creating a cohesive look. Even the stock shots they picked were lame.

Special effects were terrible. I'm sorry, but putting a door buzzer on somebody's forehead doesn't make them futuristic. I understand budget limitations, but for me, Sci-Fi needs to sell it more than this thing did. 2001: Space Odyssey came out only five years later and looks like it came out 100 years later.

I find Marker interesting as a "philosopher" but I thought his cinema weak. As a alternative I feel Renais' "Night and Fog" was a more refined short piece with a similar approach. Thanks for reading. Please tell me how wrong I am. Cheers.

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everything you say in your post is so funny. and when i thought it couldn't get any funnier (e.g. "photography seemed amateurish" hihihi!) you start comparing la jetée with night and fog. hahaha! that's almost like comparing 12 monkeys with schindler's list. thanks for the laugh! you're such a funny bone!


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Glad you enjoyed my post. Jetee and Night and Fog are both poetic narrated short "mood" pieces despite their different subject matter and they're technically constructed in a very similar way. 12 Monkeys and Schindler are both mainstream Hollywood product constructed similarly as well about different subjects but feature the standard stars and canned melodrama. I still don't think Jetee is a good film.

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Christ....ok forget the whole thing. Let's not talk about movies on the IMDB.

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Hi - me too I thought like you in some things, but that was *before* I realized (read) it was a 1962 movie... I enjoyed the film, liked its photography, and also liked the 'non convincing actors'. I think it's matter of tastes, but specially in this case you don't need actors, just faces and poses, and I think they did well; actually in those case probably the merit is for the photographer.

But this maybe has to do with the context in what the movie was shot, which was the 'nouvelle vague' thing, and that allowed and even encouraged this (correct me if I'm wrong).

As for the makeup, sure it was laughable, again, from our perspective. 2001 set a more realistic sci-fi cinema, and it has aged very well (except for the haircut of the hostress in the first scenes. That counts for the 1st star wars as well). I mean, even the old Bond flicks look aged now, and we (or I at least) enjoy it anyway.

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well, the funny thing is that marker pretty much conceptualised, shot and edited most of night and fog for resnais, who apparently couldn't stomach certain aspects of the project.

mmm... you know, even if you can't abide the low-tech approach, it's pretty difficult to argue that la jetee isn't one of the tightest, most affecting short films to come out of france in the 1960s.

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Oh c'mon...I'm so sick of this response to anyone who dares to complain about a art-film. I wasn't looking for perfection, I just thought that a visual movie should be..well...more visual. It is very interesting however that Marker was involved with Night and Fog, thank you to the poster who chimed in on that regard. I never knew that.

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Several points I would like to make:
- I really enjoy the fact that people are willing to say I dislike or I like something, but I don't find it wise to say it's amateurish. Literally, you are saying the director does not know his craft, and given this is a classic it is not a very wise thing to say.
- I am amused at your comments on special effects because what I found appealing about this film was the lack of special effects, and the fact that images of people against a dark background could signify a grim future. In a sense this effect is closer to literature than cinema, and arouses our imagination in a different way. The question is not what the film should be like, but what it is and how it affects us.
- No, "Twelve Monkeys" was, in my opinion disjointed and badly casted. I did enjoy Gilliam's mise-en-scene, but overall i think it failed to do the original justice. It did, however, have better special effects

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As taste in films is al completely subjective, I dont want to try to change your mind, but your statement about the effects for a sci-fi film were weak, especially compared to 2001, is way off. This film was made by a guy and his friends on the weekends for the sum of about $500.

This may just be me, but film never was and never will be about the "Ooh Ahh" and special effects. I like 2001 tremendously and the special effects probably were necessary to make that film work. But that doesn't mean that every sci-fi film must follow the standards that it set. No film should ever feel forced to do anything as a result of what "worked" and what "didn't work" in the past.

People that follow that mantra are the reason that reality TV is the only thing on the air now. After a couple shows were a hit, every network just decided that since it was easy and cheap and would usually get a decent following that it was automatically good. And for them, it is in the only way they want, ie monetarially. But for people that like to see something new and different and thought provoking, its crap.

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Yeah, the reason why this and 2001 look so much different is likely due to the fact that this had practically no budget while 2001 was a studio picture. That makes a difference.

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Predominately I agree with you, I wasn't terribly impressed with the film. Vaguely inspired but I found it sluggish and dull.

So I did some research and found out it was originally shot as a moving image film but the film was destroyed because of .. something, I don't remember, and so Marker created La Jetee out of the salvagable footage - which, obviously, are mostly still although there is perceptable movement and one moving scene at the end. It may also explain why, photographically, the set up isn't working.

Although seeing as it was set in a post-nuclear blasted country and all in underground bunkers, light was never gonna be great for realism if nothing else.

The doorbell thing.. I have no explination for. lol :)

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I disagree completely. It was awe inspiring

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I must say that I agree with stonewasp. The entire idea that Marker could create such a frightening atmosphere from just pictures, narration and sound is just amazing.

For me, everything comes down to memorable characters. I love Shindler from Shindler's List because of Liam Neeson's great acting. Without a good, heart-wrenching character, many movies tend to be hollow.

In La Jetee, Marker had to create a character from narration and pictures. Characters are often rounded by their dialogue, tone of voice, facial expressions, and even minute hand gestures. Yet, even without these things, I cried terribly for the protagonist's death.

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Hmm I disagree with you in saying it is not a good movie, but I do agree on some of the points you state.
I agree the resources were limited and that it did seem a bit "back in time" (as in not futuristic) compared to other movies made about the same time, as you exemplified with 2001: Space Odyssey; I also agree the actors didn't have much "character" (except for the girl, who I absolutely loved and for me had a pretty memorable cinematic face - if this expression even exists). When I say character i mean they lack that "good face" quality you wrote about.
Well that's true, overall the movie lacks strong resources. However I don't see this lack the same way that you do.
Where you see it making the movie weak, I find the movie humble and I see the story (which is indeed delivered beautifully) and, more - the *way the story is told* are enough to sustain the movie, to make it exist and come to life from the most limited resources. I actually find it insightful to do it this way, it kind of condenses what the story has to say, it escapes the "artifacts" that many movies use in order to "enchant", overwhelm the viewer, distracting him from what's essential or from it's weaknesses. For me the movie combined very well a strong and elegant narrative (and also a very very simple one - simple yet enough to gain my attention), sound and image. And that's where I disagree again - I didn't find the photography amateurish.. some of the stills were not as memorable as others but in general I think the images were quite beautiful, in an imtimistic way - focused on the characters and not on a sense of space that is characteristic of sci fi movies (and perhaps regarding it from another point of view, other than La Jetée being a sci-fi movie may help liking it more or viewing it from a different angle). I think light was handled well, from existing light probabbly, true, but very well managed in my opinion, I liked it visually.
Well I love science fiction, both novels and movies, I love sense of space, futuristic devices and ambience, I am thrilled to go and watch these new proposals, but I can't watch La Jetée looking for that kind of thing. What I look for and find in this movie is more like an insight of how we deal with the passage of time, with memories and with image itself. Also about war and what it causes on social conscience.

Let me just finish by saying I also saw Night and Fog, it put me in a horrible state of reflection (and misery) - as it also opened my mind to think about much needed things. Yes, it was a wonderfully achieved piece, but I don't think it relates, I found both very refined in very different ways.

Sorry for the long (looooong and hopefully not boring text) and some lousy english, good post anyway.

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Just watched it after the countless times I've seen it pop up in the credits for 12 Monkeys, and I didn't like it much at all. The film is somewhat poetic and nice to look at, but it didn't pull me into its world at all, it didn't make me believe that it could have happened. Whereas films like Star Wars or 12 Monkeys have great elements of fiction, you are still able to believe that it could have happened/be happening.

This might be due to the still photography - I can't remember the last time I saw a movie presented like this. It might be fine in documentaries, but it just made the film slower than it already was, as well as having plenty of stills that I thought could have been left out.

The narration and music were the only things keeping me interested, which would be fine if I were listening to an audiobook, but for a film there needs to be a bit more. Perhaps if the dream scenes were still but the testing lab/time travel place were shot in motion, or vice-versa?

In a nutshell, I think 12 Monkeys is a better film than La Jetee, and yes, they can be compared as they have very much the same story.
I also think that Gilliam was more adept at handling still photography - as in the scene where Willis is asked if he can "recognise any of these people" from various photos, especially the last one.

Of course, all just my opinion, one mans trash is another mans treasure.


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I agree.

I don't think the series of still pictures worked or was effective.

It was hard to get a sense of the characters and connect with them, since you never saw them move (except for the brief blinking by the woman) and you never heard them talk.

Frankly, I would not even call this a movie. It could just as well have been depicted in a graphic novel with no loss of detail.

I think "12 Monkeys", the film based on La Jetee, is *far* superior to La Jetee. The characters are richer and it all makes more sense.

Again, I didn't enjoy watching a series of still pictures. And I'm left to wonder "why ?"

Gino.

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Oh, come on! It's a independent film!
Of course Chris Maker could not found better actors, better lights, better cameras, etc...
Your discussion it's ridiculous!
The beautiful think about the film is that it's a primitive image and actors with a incredible story. Thats why the movie is a masterpiece.

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