Aspect Ratio


The technical specs page indicates that this film was shot in the old "Academy ratio" (1.37:1). However, I think that's wrong, and that it was filmed in a wider screen process (seemingly 1.85:1). Here is why: I have both the fullscreen, older DVD release (from Goodtimes Home Video) and the widescreen version from MGM/UA. I carefully compared scenes, and the one particularly conspicuous thing that would support my argument is this: just after the opening credits, when the fairy tale book is opened up, you cannot see some of the writing on the left-hand page in the fullscreen version, but you CAN see the whole book and all the writing in the widescreen version. So, what's the deal???

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GOOD QUESTION FOR THE EXPERTS! I WOULD SAY THE FILM WAS MADE IN ITS "FLAT" NOT WIDE SCREEN RATIO. EVERY PRINT ON FILM THAT I HAVE SEEN IS NOT IN WIDE SCREEN SO WHAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IS A "CROP" EFFECT OF SOME TYPE BUT I AM NOT SURE. WOW..STRANGE WHAT YOU HAVE REPORTED. WHAT IS THE DEAL? GOOD QUESTION. LETS SEE WHAT IS THE REEL DEAL? HOW ABOUT IT YOU ALL OUT THERE???

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It's probably just an ordinary "flat" movie, shot with an open matte:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_matte

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=5184666

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The version airing on TCM tonight is letter-boxed, and the DVD advertised on TCM's Web site is a widescreen version: http://www.tcmdb.com/title/title.jsp?stid=17181

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While (obviously) not questioning your knowledge of how the film was run in the cinema in England, the IMDB (admittedly not infallible) does give this film's aspect ratio as 1.66:1, as opposed to the pre-1953 "Academy Standard" of 1.37:1.
One thing that I can say for sure is this: it would most definitely seem that the opening credits, including the fairy tale book opening, WERE shot in a modest widescreen aspect ratio (i.e., 1.66:1), since, in the VHS copy that I have, as well as in the first DVD release (by Goodtimes), the left-hand page of the ornate book seen just after the credits is cut off, whereas it is not in the MGM/UA release. Anamorphic lenses need not be used to film widescreen movies, of course. "The Robe" was anamorphically "compressed," whereas "The Ten Commandments" (1.85:1), shot in VistaVision, was not.

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i'm watchign it too. and its trippy as hell

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It's nice to have a back-up copy of this on tape now. Very cool.

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if you watch the DVD you'll notice that the aspect ratio shifts after the opening credits and before the closing (so you can see the full book) but it's not overscanned like the VHS (if watched on a 16x9 TV) so it'll LOOK like there's more info on the sides.

However, the rest of the DVD is cropped missing information on the top and bottom (much to my chagrin - hearkening back to the similarly cropped 16x9 7th Voyage of Sinbad disc).

My viewing was based on the Netflix ondemand version, which I assume is the same as is on the DVD.

This film must have originally been 1.37:1.

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Interesting post. I had never taken into account the slight loss of information at the sides of films due to overscanning (an effect with which I only recently became acquainted). My comparison of the old MGM/UA tape of “Jack the Giant Killer” to the MGM/UA DVD of the film (I still have the Goodtimes release) did not involve staring at the top and bottom of the screen image; on “pause,” I simply flipped between modes to determine what was missing at the sides of the version on tape. I have watched the MGM/UA DVD on two high-end 16 x 9 monitors (both LCD, although that hardly matters), and I must say that I noticed NO shift in the aspect ratio after the opening credits (and the book does not appear at the close of the film, anyway). I won’t dispute your observation that information has, in fact, been cropped from the top and bottom, and I can see how overscanning (on a VHS tape) could result in the loss of a quotation mark or part of a letter in the case of some 1.37:1 films or, in the case of this film, the edge of the book, but surely NOT some of the writing on the left-hand page as well. In any case, this film is window-boxed on my monitor, like “Witness for the Prosecution” (also produced by Edward Small) and “Giant,” as are a few other films (whose aspect ratios are given on the IMDB as 1.66:1).

It seems that 16 x 9 monitors simply are not equipped to display all films as large as would be desirable. All films released prior to “The Robe” (1953) are naturally pillar-boxed; Cinemascope films (2.35:1 or wider) are naturally letter-boxed, while some Vista Vision films (such as “The Ten Commandments,” “Vertigo,” “North by Northwest,” and “Psycho,” to name a few) almost perfectly conform to the dimensions of 16 x 9 monitors (these films lose very little at the sides, since, I believe, a 16 x 9 monitor, when “filled,” offers a picture that is 1.78:1 – quite close to the 1.85:1 aspect ratio of the 4 films mentioned above). Why “the pillar” can’t simply be expanded a little to the left and right for the more “modest” widescreen films is beyond me. And, as I am sure you are aware, some films, like “Goldfinger,” were exhibited differently in North America than they were in Europe. Thus this Bond film was cropped at the top and bottom to make the ratio 1.85:1 in the U.S., whereas in Britain, the aspect ratio was 1.66:1. The original MGM/UA DVD offers the viewer the film as seen in North American theatres in 1964, while the blu-ray gives us the British version (and thus more information at the top and bottom). I do definitely decry the original DVD release of “The 7th Voyage of Sinbad.” Ray Harryhausen has gone on record saying that he preferred the old Academy ratio.

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This film was shot flat in the Academy ratio, 1.37:1, for exhibition in the 1.85:1 ratio (not CinemaScope). It may have been shown in Europe in the 1.66:1 since that is how cinemas in Europe frequently showed American pictures. The information entered on the IMDb could have come from a European contributor who saw it in that AR.

The 1.33:1 print you probably saw was most likely a pan-and-scan video off a widescreen print, hence why you would be missing some of the information on the sides of the frame. This is the horrific way movies used to be transferred to video until the widescreen format was made available on home video. TCM showed Jack the Giant Killer today in the correct AR, 1.85:1. No information was missing.

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Interesting. I'm watching it in 1.66:1 right now.

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