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Elephant Killed in 'Elephant Walk Scene'



In the "Elephant Walk" scene where John Wayne scares off that elephant who
is menacing Elsa Martinelli by firing his rifle in the air at it, such is not what originally occurred in that scene it is my understanding. In an interview
for a shooting and hunting magazine Wayne related that as originally filmed he
actually killed that elephant, shooting it with the .458 Winchester Magnum rifle he is seen carrying in that scene. Director Howard Hawks wanted to make thisscene real Wayne remarked and had some of the locals stir up a small herd of elephants until they managed to get one to actually charge at him. Knowing itwas to be real the .458 Magnum rifle was loaded with live ammunition but also precautions had been taken to insure Wayne's safety in case of mishap (there was a jeep beside him with engine running and a driver, which Wayne was to jump into as it sped off to safety with him in it just in case his shot failed to stop that elephant). On cue Wayne was to shoot the elephant and stop or kill it with shots from that rifle; which he did much to his relief and that of the jeep driver. Afterwards though, fearing possible charges of wantonly killing an animal the producers reputedly had the scene edited, reshot, and changed to what it is now seen as. But according to that article and interview John Wayne did actually shoot and kill an elephant in the original filming of that scene, and not frighten or chase it off as we see him do in it now.

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I've heard that, but all my efforts to locate the name of the magazine have proved to be in vain, so I don't believe it. That is, until I read it!

Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway. John Wayne

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If memory serves me correctly, the article in which I read the account of
Wayne killing that elephant during the filming of "Hatari!" was from an earl-
ier interview with him that was reprinted in Guns Magazine during the summer of 1980. If you can find issues of this magazine from that period you will find that article in it along with a photo of John Wayne and the .458 Winchest-
er Magnum rifle he used to kill that elephant during the filming of that scene.

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Thanks for the heads up. I look into that.


Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway. John Wayne

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I don't believe it either. Sounds like the kind of story people make up to cause trouble.

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The story is a tall tale, obviously. Even the circumstances make no sense.

1. How would filming an actual elephant kill make it "more real"? There were plenty of trained elephants and special and visual effects (or even stock hunting footage) to simulate it quite accurately - even in 1962.

2. No studio would approve such a risky stunt in the middle of production, and no director would want to take the chance of messing up his budget and schedule with such an accident.

3. There are NO photographs or video of such said incident. Even the magazine article has/had no actual images.

4. Hawks was FULL of BS (and he knew it) even when he talks about the stars wrangling their own animals during the shooting. It was a publicity gag then, and it will ALWAYS be, see item #2 above. Watch during the Rhino capture, the stuntman for John Wayne is much slimmer and athletic, and moves MUCH faster and more nimbly than the DUKE. Watch Wayne in other scenes, he ambles around like a Grizzly bear, and never even breaks into a run. Also, note that the shots with animals are ALWAYS long shots when the action is frantic. Only when an animal is totally secured (or a baby, or a trained cat, etc.) will you see an actor anywhere near an animal.

ITS the MOVIES, people. It's a business, and it would make no sense whatsoever to allow actors to be in the vicinity of dangerous animals with live ammunition.

It's called "pretend".

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And after a quick glance at the Rhino hunting scene today, it's PAINFULLY obvious that the "stars" were NOT involved in ANY high-speed capture sequences.

1. ALL shots of the actors during the chase are medium shots that NEVER show an animal! Duh. All you see is people pulling on ropes and poles which are no doubt attached only to bored grips (stagehands) who are simulating a rhino while they stand there with a bored look on their face and cigarette hanging out of their mouth.

2. ALL shots of animals running near people (roped or not) are distant shots with no recognizable faces. There are a few rare exceptions where you may see Kruger or Buttons behind the wheel of a vehicle, but the animal is ALWAYS STANDING STILL restrained with ropes, the vehicle is STANDING STILL. EVERYTIME.

3. If a director had actual medium or close-up shots of stars actually wrangling animals, they would use it subtantially - it would be some of the most exciting footage ever filmed. Unfortunately, in the case of this movie, it doesn't exist, because it never happened.

People, people, its a movie, and promoters/producers lie to sell tickets. Enjoy the fantasy, but don't fall for the stories.

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Also I have never heard of a 'star' being allowed to load LIVE AMMO in his gun on a set, especially to use it in a 'life or death' situation like a charging wild animal. What if he shot another person with an errant shot? I'm pretty sure the studio (and especially the Insurance underwriters) would never allow such a maniacally dangerous event to occur. This sounds like a tall tale.

:edit - sorry about the duplicate post below, don't know why it happened....

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You would be 100% WRONG. My dad worked on that movie. The actors WERE in many of the scenes and DID help with capturing many of those animals. They also rode high speed in the truck scenes chasing the animals. It just amazes me how people with NO knowledge what so ever about a movie would write junk like you did. It's sad idiots like you who know NOTHING can write your garbage.

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That a stunt man was used instead of Wayne in some scenes in "Hatari!" is indisputable. This was done on all of his films, of course. And it seems quite sensible and logical not to expose the actors to the uneccessary danger of injury by the wild, unpredictable animals, BUT...

In scenes towards the end of the film, when the group finally captures a rhinoceros, Wayne himself is seen very close to the rhino in many of the medium shots when the struggling animal is roped between the trucks. There are several other points in the film in which it is obvious, by virtue of the fact that Wayne's face can be seen, that he got very close to some of the wild animals.

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Yeah, I said that already.

The actors were allowed near wild animals when the animals were totally restrained.

However there's a thread/rumor going around that the actors were involved DURING the actual captures at some point.

There is no way that this happened.

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There is a least a couple of brief shots in in the film in which Wayne himself is in the catching chair during an animal chase. It is just after mid-point in the film. They are chasing wildebeests across the flats. The camera is positioned on the hood of the catching truck direclty behind Wayne. He turns his head several times to the left and right and you can clearly see that it is Wayne and not his double. At one point his voice is dubbed in saying "To the right, Pockets... that bunch over to the right!" The other shots in the scene are long shots undoubtedly with his double. They never actually show the wilderbeests being caught, however. Wayne gets close, but not too close.

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There's plenty of moments showing Wayne near the rhino and it's not "totatally" restrained". It was thrashing around at times. I kept wondering if he was going to get his leg skewered from the horn.

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True enough.

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The only elephant I ever heard about being killed was the rogue elephant that had wrecked the village and was written into the story. That elephant was actually killed for that offense. That was in a biography about Wayne written by Mel Shavelson. I believe Aissa also referred to that incident in her biography about her father.

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This is an urban legend, if you can even call it that, since no one's ever heard of it.
There is no such article referenced in any shooting magazine. When this comes up on the various film and Wayne boards, it's always a different magazine that's mentioned.
There is no mention of this article or the subject in any Wayne memorabilia book or article I've ever seen.

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Try reading the above mentioned books. I know what I read!

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Cite the part which deals with Wayne shooting the elephant, I haven't found a reliable verifiable source for this yet.

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The elephant killed that I am speaking of was in the village where the game warden killed a rogue elephant and not the one in "Elephant Walk". The elephant had wrecked a hut and maybe some other stuff but this death was written into the movie. This is where the first Baby elephant Tembo came from in the story line.

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Watch that scene of the charging elephant again. You'll see that the picture quality is different. It is a projection. The actors were no where near those elephants.

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My father, Paul Helmick directed the animal catching scenes. A man named Willy de Beer and his experienced crew were hired to supervise and do the actual capture of the animals. Some of the dangerous scenes that needed actors used stuntmen, notably Cary Lofton and Ted White as doubles for the actors. Apparently, Mr. Wayne and some of the other actors did participate in some scenes. Their plan was to film the professionals catching the animals, then come back with the actors and do some close up shots. They were allowed to hold a captured animal for only a few minutes before it was let go. In one unfortunate incident, a cape buffalo was captured (maybe by the Wildlife Service?) and transported to another location to shoot a capture scene, but the animal died in the transport truck. I believe there was a serious accident when a Jeep hit a gully. I would love to ask my father about some of the questions brought up here, but he is no longer with us. He does have a few pages about making Hatari in his memoir, "Cut, Print, and That's a Wrap".

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If I were Hardy Kruger,I would have done a great deal of bodybuilding
before appearing in a short sleeve shirt and shorts.My God he was/is
the arms and legs of an 8yr. old!

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Big muscles do not necessarily the athlete or tough guy make. Bodybuilding is a hobby, like girls collecting makeup.

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Try to remember the scene. The cast was actually never in front of any Elephants' horde. It was obviously shot at two different locations/times and was edited to look like a confrontation. But it was not. They were clearly not together and you had no big plan showing the mature éléphants on one side and Wayne on the other side.

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