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A decent film but . . .


It completely ignores one of the most important things about his work and theories--i.e., how his ideas about childhood sexuality came into being. Initially, his theory about neurosis was that it developed as a result of trauma suffered as a child. Frequently, these trauma took the form of sexual abuse. He quite naturally came to this idea as the majority of his patients reported they had experienced this abuse at the hands of a parent or other trusted family member. This troubled Freud greatly to think that so many upstanding Victorian era citizens were actually abusing their own children. But these were the facts that presented themselves, and so his theory developed accordingly. However, his ideas came under scathing criticism (in the film, we see his later theory about childhood sexuality and the oedipal complex causing a near riot--but in point of fact, this earlier theory was much more disturbing to the intelligentsia of the time). In particular, one of his closest friends and fellow doctor excoriated his original paper on neurosis (the title escapes me; I'll have to look it up and add it later). Unfortunately, the brilliant Freud took this criticism to heart, little realizing that this collaborator resisted his findings so fiercely because he had abused his own child. Since Freud himself was terribly troubled by the idea that so many of the adults around him were pedophiles, he looked at his original theory and tried to come up with another explanation. Considering the level of his brilliance, the fact he was able to develop a new theory completely turning his old ideas on their head was a forgone conclusion. Thus, he now conceived of the idea that the parents had not abused their children sexually--that these tales told by his patients were actually just the fantasies they had had as children--children who had wanted to sexually possess the opposite sexed parent. Thus was born the fiction of childhood sexuality and the oedipal complex--a theory devised to alleviate his own considerable anxiety concerning his original findings, not to mention the anxieties of his circle of fellow doctors. Thus, the real-life suffering of children, treated as sexual-playthings by their parents, became merely their fantasies of their own desires. This corruption of reality has caused great suffering through the years as real victims of real abuse were informed that they had really imagined it all. Freud was a blindingly great genius--and many of his pronouncements have stood the test of time--but this, his central finding, based on the idea of protecting the parents at the cost of the child, continues to infiltrate, corrupt, and blind much of the psychological community to the truth. Fortunately, more and more, the truth is being revealed, and the idea of childhood sexuality is being tossed into the garbage bin.

For those interested in more about the subject, I strongly recommend the book, For Your Own Good: Hidden cruelty in childrearing and the roots of violence by Alice Miller. Any of her books are quite good, however--especially The Drama of the Gifted Child (also known as Prisoners of Childhood, Thou Shalt Not Be Aware and Breaking Down the Wall of Silence: The Liberating Experience of Facing Painful Truth. Also good is The History of Childhood by Lloyd deMause.

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You are wrong when you say that Freud did not take onto account that there were pedophiles amongst us. What he said was that a trauma in childhood did not need to be real for a neurosis. I am stabing freud in the heart for how simplistic this is going to sound but the child does not know how to "name" or understand his desires for a father or mother ( this unconsciously ). Once something in his later life reminds him of this he rejects it and creates a neurosis as a way to protect him from the castration in his infant life. (castration dealt to him by his parents in early age).

In the end what he says is that if the sexual trauma is real or a fantasy does not matter, because if the patient believes in it it is true. It does not matter if something that the patient believes is true or not, facts are for lawyers, if a patient believes in it, it s true for him and should be viewed as much.

The asssumption that a child has sexuality can be contested but i for one have worked with children and I have 5 nephews, and by my own observations i can see it. Freud himself wrote extensively about child sexuality. If you want to draw your own conclusions read his "three theories on sexuality." a very good book, even if he later corrected some of the theories in it.

obs: I am a psychoanalyst so i am baissed hehehe!

obs 2: his collaborator in his first research is Breuer.

obs 3: I am not saying that you have to agree with him just pointing out what he really said specially during his first topic.

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In the end what he says is that if the sexual trauma is real or a fantasy does not matter, because if the patient believes in it it is true. It does not matter if something that the patient believes is true or not, facts are for lawyers, if a patient believes in it, it s true for him and should be viewed as much.
Hrmmh ... Actually it does matter if it is true and the truth matters more than diagnosis of neurosis. Many sexually abused people developed serious mental and physical health issues. It matters that treatment of these has some basis in the truth of what happened to them. Also respecting what is real for the patient works to a point but it runs contrary to 'know thyself' because ego dystonic aspects of self will be denied and those that manifest as ego syntonic, even if pathological, are defended. I'm a psychotherapist and as far as I'm concerned orientating a person in their sense of themselves and in the consensual reality we share are the most important things I can offer.
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I found this film fascinating because it showed me that Freud repressed his father's sexual abuse of his sister! I found this the most shocking revelation in the film. I'm aware that Freud, a middle class Jew in upper class Austrian society, denied his originally theory so as to not alienate the societal elite upon whom he depended for his career. It's a travesty. But I did not believe Freud's conclusion with regards to Cecily Koertner. It seemed clear to me she was sexual abused and even when Freud was reinterpreting her behaviour in the light of his new favour he referred to her father's caresses.

There are many features of Freudian theory that make sense notwithstanding the disingenuous nature of the theory. Children, even pre-verbal, are sexual in the sense that they are become aware of their bodies and genitals and are fascinated by bodily functions. There is a definite place for infantile rivalry with the same sex parent also if not for the reasons that Freudian theory imputed.

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