Dated date scene?


Hooo boy, was that 1st date scene dated. In fact, if I wanted to turn off a 2009 woman (for whatever odd reason I would have to repel someone who looked like Kirsten), I couldn't do better than what Joe does. Confuse her with a sheik's 'good time girl?' Belittle her job? Bring peanut brittle to her as a present? Ask for a 'nightcap' on the first date? Swill alcohol from a pint bottle in front of her, a teetoler - then chuck the bottle into the bay?

Of course, only in '60s movies would an attractive woman even look twice at the happily-less-than-alpha males that Lemmon tended to play. See also "April Fools."

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I found this scene odd as well. In fact, I found it odd to the point of unbelievable. I guess it's hard to say what reasons some people have for ever being attracted to some others to begin with. He played off charm and having it together well enough but I still always asked myself, "what does she see in him". I suppose that was the point.

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What does she see in him?

What does a high school girl see in a handsome jock with the brain of a door knob?

What does a mature woman see in a muscle bound neanderthal working with a jack hammer?

Kirsten reacted to him the same way women react to the cute smile of a Jack Nicholson, or the perfect face of a Paul Newman. They overlook the obvious faults until they are snared into a situation where it is no longer possible to refute the truth.

Also, you are looking at Kirsten as a perfect woman with intelligence far beyond what she actually possessed. Kirsten was a wounded soul and she reached out for love and affection when it finally came within her grasp.

That is why the scene worked for me.

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Thank you. I have read so many IMDB posts asking the same question, "How could this character be interested in that character?" I guess they're thinking the same thing about people in stores, at church, at work. aS if they can determine who should love whom.

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In most movies in the 60's and the 50's they never seemed to get it right portraying the era correctly. This film covered a span of 6 years judging by the cars. Joe driving a 56 Ford Fairlane convertable in the beginning and borrowing Jack Klugmans 62 Mercury Comet wagon near the end. In the beginning during the 50's the dress costumes, style of buildings were all 60's flavored. The first 60's mobvie that portrayed the era correctly was Bonnie & Clyde. Todays era movies are like a time warp. It's almost like being there in the prewar era.

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This film covered a span of 6 years... In the beginning during the 50's the dress costumes, style of buildings were all 60's flavored.


What I get from your statement is that fashions change so much in 6 years that they are completely different. In other words, if you were to watch a 2004 film today you would recognise the differences from today. I would find that difficult to do, apart from obvious fashion trends, and fashions change far far more quickly today than they did in the late 50's.

The first 60's mobvie that portrayed the era correctly was Bonnie & Clyde.


You are entitled to your opinion, but I would offer other examples like "Inside Daisy Clover", "Wild River", and even "The Time Machine" as just 3 examples of 60's movies that portray their time period well.

Todays era movies are like a time warp. It's almost like being there...


Let me get this right. Are you really saying that designers today are doing it better than those who actually lived during the periods in question? I remind you that DoWaR was set in its own time period. That is pretty hard to get wrong.


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What I get from your statement is that fashions change so much in 6 years that they are completely different. In other words, if you were to watch a 2004 film today you would recognise the differences from today. I would find that difficult to do, apart from obvious fashion trends, and fashions change far far more quickly today than they did in the late 50's.

Actually during the period of 1956-62, there was a very identifiable change in fashion for both women and men. Two noticeably different aesthetics.

Starting in '58 hemlines began to rise noticeably. Women's hairstyles also went from the ubiquitous permanent wave to bigger, more teased hairstyles. The clothes became sleeker.

The sleekness also applied to mens clothes. They went from big bulky jackets with medium to wide lapels to wearing the sleek suits with narrow lapels and narrow ties that typify the early to mid 60's look.

1956 women:
http://vintagepatterns.wikia.com/wiki/Simplicity_1510

1962 women:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/44277798/simplicity-4547-smart-separates-1 962

1956 men:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mysweetiepiepie_vintage/3470507833/

1962 men:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/A1z0a7BGMaL._SL600_.jpg

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He gave her the rush. He showered her with attention. For someone as mousy as she was, that was enticing. She didn't see him with the experienced and cynical eye of the serial dater. He was an entirely new type for her. She was vulnerable and far too trusting. Most of us go through that stage without such cruel consequences.

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Bring peanut brittle to her as a present?


I completely see your point on everything else, but I'm not getting why peanut brittle would be a turn off.

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heckles; In agreement, but LEMMON's act would not play even back in the 1950s', except in Hollywood. This delusion though predates films of the 60s' and goes back to the Silent Era. After all Harold Lloyd made a career of playing such characters and very successfully.

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I think the peanut brittle was meant as a joke gift, not to be taken seriously. Hasn't anyone ever given you something that you KNEW was meant to be humorous? Have you ever sent/received a humorous Valentine's Day card or birthday card? Methinks the young'uns here aren't familiar w/sensibilities of the late 50's-early 60's films and TV shows. I guarantee you that the majority of audiences watching this movie in '62 or '63 would have thought: "Gee, peanut brittle. That's cute." I remember my own parents giving each other cotton candy or giant chocolate rabbits as joke gifts.
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If he was making a peace offering with candy they had to use something besides chocolate. Her "addiction " to chocolate had not been revealed. He should have brought flowers or something else. Peanut Brittle was stupid

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Definitely dated. . . but still plausible, for the time. (The OP was funny, describing how those same moves would later be the exact opposite of seductive.)


There were some other elements to the "sheik's yacht" part that were jarring by today's standards. I laughed when all the girls were swathed in fur even though they're at a warm beach venue. Fancy!

I was somewhat horrified when Jack Lemmon was missing two girls for the trip home and settled for another man's statement that those girls had decided to stay a little longer. Umm, yeah, or maybe those two are in the middle of a gang rape going on below deck. Oh well, no sweat, you can always get more party girls at the Party Girl Store.

Minor point, but I saw the peanut brittle as a good move, with some thought behind it. It was an offering with a light touch, whereas chocolates would have been a more serious statement, i.e. you typically gave a big box of chocolates to a sweetheart. (Same as you wouldn't show up with a bouquet of red roses on the first date--flowers were expected, but red roses spelled "LOVE.")

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It doesn't matter how pretty she was, they were both broken people. it was a tragedy they ever met.

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