Cleo's cancer


I would like to dismiss the thought that Cleo has an incurable disease and is going to die. The physician said: "2 months of radiation therapy and you will be fine." The English subtitles said chemotherapy but the translation wrong. Also she does not seem like she had any operation to have a biopsy since none of her close circle seemed to know about it. What she most certainly had was an abnormal "dysplastic" Pap smear, i.e. early cancer of the cervix. The Pap smear is obtained during a regular woman exam. Cervical cancer could be treated (old) with radiation; nowadays a "conization" is done. It is curative if detected early. This is the kind of cancer we now know is due to HPV, and for which you see ads for vaccine on TV. There is no cancer that would go away with chemotherapy in 2 months. The fortune teller clearly told her that the card of "death" just means a radical change. Well, Cleo has radically changed in those 90-120min. She has molted into a new self (shedding wig, fancy clothes, fur hat, even her shoes, her ego, her artificial persona...) to emerge as a real woman conscious of life and people around her. Very zen. I LOVE THIS MOVIE!

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Great! Are you a French doctor or something? ;-) Very professional analysis! I love this film too and glad to see someone also noticed details like her shoes. I've watched this movie probably 5-6 times, and i am still enjoying finding new details of this movie, like cats, mirrors, clocks, camera movements and light changes, etc. It is my favorate film all the time.

While your analysis actually remind me another similar French film: "Haut les coeurs!"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0211401/ which is about a girl, a cellist who got pregnant and breast cancer at the same time. Very touching movie. It also has a similar uncertain ending without knowing whether the girl will die or not. If you get chance to watch it, probably you will get an interesting conclusion too. ;-)

BTW: Did you get the 2006 verion DVD(DOUBLE DVD COLLECTOR) or watch it on big screen in theatre? In the Criterion DVD I got, the English subtitles didn't specify what therapy it is(the line is just "Two months of treatment should put things right."). So I guess we probably got different versions.

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Hi Stefaniesun I just came back to IMDB not expecting any replies to my post so I was very happy to see yours :) yes I am an MD. I saw the movie on the big screen, a local Nashville theater is doing a "Great 50" retrospective. I saw "La Regle du Jeu" and I look forward to seeing again some of Truffaut and Bergman. Thank you for suggesting 'Haut Les Coeurs' I have not had a chance to see it. Another thing I forgot to mention that Cleo 'shes" when molting is her fake name!

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Happpy to see you back, bookworm345. I usually check this board once a week to look for something new which may give me an excuse to review the movie, though the board gets new post probably once a month. ;-)

<<<Another thing I forgot to mention that Cleo 'shes" when molting is her fake name! >>>
What do you mean? Is that the lyric Michel Legrand sings when she "shes" to him? I don't remember any other scenes in which she "shes". By the way, Cleo's really neame is Florence Victoire or Victoir, as I remember it, Cleopatra probably is just a stage name or something.

The first time I watched this film was also on a big screen, during a retrospective thing in a film archive, Agnes Varda presented herself there to make some comments about her works, a very lovely old lady. Unfortunately, 'Haut Les Coeurs' is not a famous movie, and not so great as Cleo, they didn't even make DVD for it(I can't find if on Netflix, either)! I watched the film once in a theatre especially for french films. Very real and very touching.

About Truffaut and Bergman, I watched some of their works(especially Truffaut's) last year, "Wild Strawberries" and "Jule et Jim" probably are the best of them. Bergman's other works seems a little difficult for me, like "the seventh seal" and "the winter light", which also involves death themes. Truffaut's "Shooting the Pianist" and "The Last Metro" are quite lovely. His "400 blows" may be the most famous one, especially the long shot in the last scene. Actually the ending of "Cleo's 5 to 7", "400 blows" and Godard's "Breathless" are all in a very similar way. The characters first walk or run for a litttle while and then turn their heads, and then freeze or turn to dark. ;-)

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Hi Stefaniesun. Sorry I had a typo, I meant to write Cleo "sheds" her fake name, as she sheds all the other artifices she had on, to emerge as a new person (cf. the "death" card in the Tarot as explained by the seer as a radical change or a rebirth). I like all the movies of Truffaut you mention. If you get a chance, give "The 7th Seal" a second look, it is quite easy to understandd. The main character Antonius (Max von Sydow) is a knight who just came back from the crusades. He is tortured by the questions is there a God? what is the the meaning/purpose of life? he is even willing to talk to the devil to find out. On his quest he meets a troup of traveling performers. He realizes his question is somewhat irrelevant: regardless of whether God exists or not, there is enough beauty on earth to make it worthwile. It can be found in human love, in the taste of strawberries, in a human face... There is a fabulous scene where he watches Jof and Mia interact, and Mia (Bibi Anderson filmed with light radiating from her face) passes around stawberries she has gathered in the wild. A somewhat existentialist approach.

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Thanks for your explanatioin and introduction. Yes, I definately will give "the 7th Seal" a second look. The first time I watched this film was probably 5 years ago, when I didn't really know how to appreciate great films and it was also hard for me to follow subtitles at that time.

<<< There is a fabulous scene where he watches Jof and Mia interact, and Mia (Bibi Anderson filmed with light radiating from her face) passes around stawberries she has gathered in the wild.>>>

It is interesting to see "wild starberries" appear in this scene, I like "Wild Stawberries" very much.

<<<<I meant to write Cleo "sheds" her fake name, as she sheds all the other artifices she had on, to emerge as a new person (cf. the "death" card in the Tarot as explained by the seer as a radical change or a rebirth). >>>>

About her 'death' or rebirth, Cleo's original name is Florence, which was explained by Antoine as Flora, the Godness of flowers or Spring, while the day is 21st June, which is the beginning of summer, that means a new peirod for Flora will begin.

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This was a revelation to me. I was not aware that Varda had started directing so early. Also, this actress who plays Cleo is wonderful. Am I the only one who sees a resemblance to Deborah Harry? I wonder if Harry based her persona on Cleo.

SPOILER
Obviously, Cleo is struggling with the truth, or exposure, finding out who she really is. I confess that I missed her diagnosis at the end. When I watch a French movie, I often go back and forth from just listening to reading the subtitles. At the point of the diagnosis, I was listening and didn't hear what he said. But I got my answer in the faces of the 2 characters as they walk away from the hospital together. Cleo is smiling-- she is set free. The soldier is crying-- he will never see her again.

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Thank you for this awesome post.

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Interesting post. The death card that appeared in her tarot spread at the beginning spoke of transformation for the card reader noted the newly forming limbs as change gave way to new life.

I love the film too.

Movement ends, intent continues;
Intent ends, spirit continues

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I like this film greatly, but... alas! I'm not that optimistic concerning Cleo's illness. First, the Doctor didn't tell she's OK, but that she has to have a treatment, which "will set the things right" (don't remember the exact words). Another - the Fortune Teller told Cleo that she's going to meet a very talkative young man (exactly as it did happen, and the man was talkative indeed). After Cleo left, the Fortune Teller told to another person that Cleo is incurably ill, and that she's doomed. I take it as a hint about what is going to happen in the "reality" of this film.

Still, the film isn't about the life or death of Cleo, but about her spiritual transformation that gave her a new vision, and appreciation of a true values of life.

Listen to your enemy, for God is talking

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It has to be said that the Tarot - no matter if taken seriously or not - is always about HOW you read it. There is no "one way". For example, the cards could as well be about the young man she meets - not HIS cards, but detailing what will happen to Cleo due to this person stepping into her life (Cleo being confronted with death through the illness and - subsequently - the death of the soldier).

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One wonders how cancer treatments were viewed in 1961. Did most of the public accept that one gets 2 months of radiation treatment and your fine? Today, I'd want to know how far advanced it was and will chemo be enough? Cleo felt better at the film's end with her new beau but one wonders how easy what followed was.

For reasons unknown....I resume....

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