Disliked by Other Convicts


One of the many true facts this movie doesn't address is the fact that Stroud was generally disliked by other convicts who served time with him.

Alvin Karpis -formerly Public Enemy #1- served time with Stroud briefly at Leavenworth (where Karpis was initially sent and held in the segregation unit before being sent to Alcatraz) and later at Alcatraz when Karpis was in D-Block for having taken part in an inmate strike.

Karpis later had this to say about Stroud:

I shall myself struggle for years with the parole board as (J. Edgar) Hoover resists all my efforts to obtain a parole out of McNeil Island. Although I hate say anything bad about another prisoner or anything good about the parole board, I consider it a credit to them that they didn't give to public pressure to release 'The Birdman'.

He had a definite mental quirk. His behaviour and statements in isolation convinced me he was dangerous. I have vivid memories of his lanky form and his unusually long arms hanging low in apelike fashion and the profanities and threats he uttered against guards and their families come to mind. He hated Fatso Mitchell and would rave about how he would 'eat up' the guard's little daughter before he tore her apart, giving half to each parent. His wild exclamations dwelt on how, if he were released, he would grab little boys or girls off the street, 'eat them up' and then kill them. I believed him. They weren't just idle threats; he would have killed or mutilated a child. He bragged of how he would show society that they really owed him something. If I had the responsibility of deciding whether or not to release Robert Stroud, I would have reached the same conclusion as the parole board.



James Quillen (who was on Alcatraz from 1942-52 and spent several months in D-Block in 1946 for attempting to tunnel out under the kitchen) also had less than fond memories of Stroud. In April of 1946, Stroud complained of stomach pains and demanded to see a doctor. The doctor had already left the island for the night, so the medical technician came instead and found nothing wrong with him. Stroud insisted he was seriously ill and they were denying him care. He got many of the other convicts in D-Block to start a (contained) riot in their cells. They tore up bedding, broke their toilets, etc. After it had settled down, Quillen was lead past Stroud's cell for a disciplinary hearing and saw that Stroud's cell was in perfect order. He'd gotten others to riot just because he was bored and wanted to cause some chaos without directly doing anything himself. Quillen realized he (and others in D-Block) had been used and lost seven and a half years worth of his statuatory "good time" as a result. (Quillen later turned himself around. A few months later he was returned to the general population. He began to behave himself and started taking correspondence courses to earn a high school diploma. He got his "good time" restored and was transferred to McNeil Island in 1952. He was paroled in 1958 and found lucrative work as an X-Ray technician at a hospital-a skill he'd first learned when working in the hospital on Alcatraz. He eventually married, raised a family, bought his own home and earned a pardon for his crimes. However, decades later, when interviewed, he STILL was bitter about the way Stroud had used him and the other convicts in D-Block.

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Very interesting. Thanks for a very informative post.

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Wow not the same man portrayed by Lancaster that's for sure. I think I'd rather see Lancaster's Stroud than the real man. What a wonderful caring man.

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So Public Enemy No 1 did not like him?

Karpis was hardly a reliable source.

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That's what I was about to say. One thing you learn about criminals, especially felons, us only about half of what they say is true. The other half is made up.

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The full truth is what they show and don't show in this movie. He basically is able to live with birds, and not humans. Everything that leads to this, and the fact he was never set free, is shown as the man being a misunderstood genius, a rebel before his time as opposed to a fella who juste could NOT be around other people or he might kill or hurt them.

For the time, 1962, when this movie was basically trying to help free the man, that would have not helped for the Birdman, but it would have given Lancaster a much richer role.

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I'm glad people liked the OP.

A good book is Jolene Babyak's Birdman: The Many Faces of Robert Stroud. It depicts him as a truly complex man: an unquestionably volatile, unpredictable and likely dangerous man but who at the same time was definitely brilliant and who would step up and protect an underdog.

Her book also says that Stroud almost certainly could've gotten out of prison if he'd behaved differently. Other convicts who'd killed guards had been paroled. (Rufus "Whitey" Franklin, for example, who killed a guard on Alcatraz during an escape attempt in 1938 was given a life sentence for the crime. He spent 13 years in D-Block, but was able to work his way back into the general population, a few years later was transferred to another prison and eventually paroled.) So, Stroud's sentence didn't have to be a true life sentence. He was surely intelligent enough to realize what he had to do to get out, if he wanted to.

Another good book is Jim Quillen's Alcatraz 1942-1952: The Hard Years.

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