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Dashiell Hammett's Red Harvest




The movie was filmed three times as Yojimbo, Fistful of Dollars and Last Man Standing. The latter two are always claimed to be copies of Yojimbo--yet Yojimbo has been credited as a version of "Red Harvest". Therefore, all three versions are really based on "Red Harvest".

So why doesn't somebody do an original version of "Red Harvest"?

Yes, it's a period piece set in the late 1920s/early 30s. And true it's nameless hero,a detective known only to the readers as The Continental Op, wasn't movie star handsome (in the series of stories he was in, which were always first person, you got clues to what he looked like: Medium height, overweight but with lots of muscle, lots of brains and guts but somewhat clumsy at times, and in his late 40s. His face was never discribed.).

One assumes that it would not make a hit movie--but perhaps an interesting independent film....or even a cable movie.

Ironically, I believe it was either showtime or HBo that made a series of movies about Raymond Chandler's Philip Marlow--only a few were based on Chandler short stories. The rest were taken from Hammett's Continental Op short stories and replaced Marlowe in the Op's role.

Isn't it time to give the Op, "Red Harvest" AND Dashiell Hammett their due--and the blurb 'The story that inspired Yojimbo, A Fistful of Dollars, and Last Man Standing'?







lipe2--Dean; College of Useless Knowledge

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The movie was filmed three times as Yojimbo, Fistful of Dollars and Last Man Standing. The latter two are always claimed to be copies of Yojimbo--yet Yojimbo has been credited as a version of "Red Harvest". Therefore, all three versions are really based on "Red Harvest".

YOJIMBO was actually never credited, nor was it really based on RH. You could say that certain elements in RH may have been an inspiration, but that is a whole different scenario than being "based" on the story itself.

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If by "a lot," you mean one scene, then yes, "a lot" is based on The Glass Key. Yojimbo borrows bits and pieces from many Western influences...films noir like The Glass Key and westerns like High Noon being obvious ones. But in terms of its structure and scenes, it is as original a work as most. All plots are recycled...every last one of them in the history of storytelling.

To contrast the case of Yojimbo and Red Harvest, consider the case of Yojimbo and A Fistful of Dollars. Aside from adding two action sequences (done solely because Leone believed in having an action climax at regular intervals of roughly ten minutes), Fistful is a scene-by-scene, blow-by-blow retelling of Yojimbo. Aside from the general game of ping-pong between the anti-hero protagonist and the rival gangs playing out virtually point-for-point in both films, we have:

A dominant matriarch in one clan, despite this being uncommon in either culture
Three main anchors for the anti-hero: tavern keeper, cooper, and bell-ringer/constable
Telling the cooper to prepare coffins
The estranged wife, lost by her husband as a gambling debt
Hostage exchange...wife returned to her "owner" in exchange for the son of the rival clan
Rescue of the wife by the protagonist, disguised as the work of many men
Wife's reunion with husband and child
The beating administered when the truth of this becomes known
Protagonist hiding under the floorboards after escaping from captors
Cooper sneaks protagonist out of town in a coffin
Protagonist asks cooper to pause along the way to view ensuing carnage
Protagonist takes time to heal from his injuries
Returns to town, kills all remaining gangsters
Bests his final rival despite having an "inferior" weapon (katana vs. pistol/pistol vs. rifle)

I could have listed more. Everything from Fistful, in fact, aside from the slaughter of the Mexican soldiers and the follow-up cemetery shootout (hell, Eastwood even scratches his chin in the same fashion as Mifune). But I think that covers the major points pretty well. Saying - as I've seen many do - that Yojimbo is a retelling of Red Harvest, in the same sense that A Fistful of Dollars is a retelling of Yojimbo, is simply untrue.

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Indeed. The internet has proven to me time and again that it's generally easier for people to repeat what they've been told than it is for them to read a book.

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I'm a huge Hammett fan, and read and own the book. And to say this movie didn't borrow heavily from Red Harvest is stupid.

Hammette's famouse Man of No Name detective, shows up in a corrupt town, turns rival gangs against each other, has a thing with one of the mobster's girl, I mean come on. Even the dynomite scene where rival gang dynomites the other gangs hideout and machine guns whoever comes out.

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I just finished reading "Red Harvest" and I think it would be tremendously difficult to turn into a film. Too many gangs, too many important characters, too many plot twists that make sense in the novel but would be hard to explain on the big screen.

Kurosawa reduced the story to its essential elements and to a handful of important characters, and in my opinion made a much better film than if he had tried to adapt the original story. Both before and after "Yojimbo" he made some contemporary gangster movies and they were okay, but not in the category of film classics.

As I noted in another thread, the only direct borrowings I could spot were: 1) the main character's real name is never revealed, and 2) one of the gang hideouts is fire-bombed and a gang leader is shot down as he tries to surrender. Nothing else from "Red Harvest" seems to have made it to "Yojimbo". And the entire subplot with the woman hostage with the kid, who is rescued and returned to her husband, does not appear in "Red Harvest". Also, the main character is never imprisoned or beat up or interrogated, though he does escape at least two attempts on his life.

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0021305/

They already did it bud

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I think it's actually pretty similar to Robert E. Howard's Conan story, Red Nails.

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Forget the 'borrowing' and be glad we have 'For A Fistful..' and 'Last Man Standing'. With ACTA ratified, making these would not be possible without legal costs dwarfing the original costs of all the films together!

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I think too much is made of Yojimbo's connection to Red Harvest. The film really doesn't draw very much at all from the book. It seems to be mentioned a lot to defend Fistful of Dollars - to say that it's okay if Fistful copied lots from Yojimbo because Yojimbo is guilty of doing the same thing with Red Harvest. It's just not true, though. What Yojimbo took from Red Harvest is nothing as compared to what Fistful took from Yojimbo. One is based on something, the other is almost a copy of something.

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It's also been loosely adapted as the Coen's "Miller's Crossing".

"The Warrior and the Sorceress" is a sword & sorcery take on "Yojimbo" too.

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and in addition to Warrior and the Sorceress, there was the sci fi variation on the theme with Rutger Hauer, Omega Doom

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Actually, the stories on which the episodes of the Philip Marlowe series were based were all written by Raymond Chandler. None of them were Op stories.

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Kurosawa took a basic plot idea from Red Harvest,but the specifics of the film were his own creation.
Where Fistfull of Dollars got into trouble was they swiped many individual secnes and even lines of dialogue, as well a closely following the plot, from Yojimbo. That is why Kurosawa successful sued for plagiarism,and won a sizable amount of money from Leone's studio.

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