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I am new to Bunuel's work. My thoughts on 'Viridiana.'


I have seen "Viridiana" twice - the first time , it was already underway on tv and I had to watch it from the middle of the film. I needed to see it from the beginning , which I did the second time.

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Firstly I must say that I found the character and motivations of "Don Jaime" to be repulsive , to say the least. I feared for the character of Viridiana while he was around her. The character of Don Jaime is very much that of a predator. He is a character without morals. When he committed suicide , he cared not that , considering what had happened , Viridiana might feel as though she played a part in his decision. ( I firmly believe that no one should feel or take responsibility for someone's suicide , it's the person's decision.)He was a selfish man , thinking only of himself and his desires.

Viridiana undergoes a transformation of sorts. In my opinion , she remains uncertain about what exactly transpired between Don Jaime and herself , thereby causing her to believe she shouldn't join the convent. Nowadays , this would certainly not be a reason for not becoming a nun , but apparently it was an issue to her then. I wanted her to remain naive and innocent , but because of the incident with Don Jaime , and other things ,sadly , she eventually loses much of that innocence.
The character of Jorge is that of the "city slicker" , in a way. The townspeople are unaquainted with his lifestyle and ways. He's a jerk , but has a charm about him. I believe that he tries to pull everything together around the manor , but he is a chauvinist and quarrels arise when things don't go exactly his way.

I don't have any respect for the character of Ramona .She was so complicit whenever Don Jaime told her to do things , even though she knew they were wrong. Now , it was probably custom for a houshold servant to behave like that , but she could have decided against doing the things that she did.

The much talked about ending scene was a good ending , in my opinion. I understand that the ending was changed , due to it being too obvious. When the ending was changed , Brunuel liked it even more and I concur. I am finding that I love it when director's use things like glances , body language ,etc. , to convey meaning. Glances and body language naturally convey meaning , it's probably the formost way we communicate , but this is something that is terribly underutilized in films nowadays , and even moreso in American films. I hesitate to use the word "coded" , but in a sense it is. Subtlety.

I am very interesteed in becoming better aquainted with Bunuel's work.

"I detest cheap sentiment." - Margo Channing (All About Eve)

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I am very interesteed in becoming better aquainted with Brunuel's work.


For starters, it's Luis Buñuel.
=)

I think that silent films got a lot more things right than talkies. --Stanley Kubrick

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Whoops! Typo. Thanks for the clear-up. :)

"I detest cheap sentiment." - Margo Channing (All About Eve)

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Since the film is an argument for how Christianity ruins people (all people), and by extension all society, you are not supposed to like any of the characters.

They are all foils which only serve to drive this point home.

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tkelley nola ,
Has Bunuel been quoted as saying that this film was about "Christianity ruining people"?

Amicus verus est rara avis.

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He may well have, but I have no idea. He is quite famous for his disgust with christianity and the Catholic church in particular. I didn't mean to sound arrogant, it is my interpretation. However, the film makes the most sense seen this way.

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It's been a long time since I saw this film . So I have to reserve the guilt of memory when I concoct my largesse. This is I think one of BUnUEL'
S S great achievments. The sacreliguous tone is a marvel to behold as is the wonderfully syncopated diarythms which occur between act one and act four. i BELIEVE bUNUEL OR bORGES THE GREAT WEE UMMM UY Y UMMMM YMMMMMM CIGAREETE FROU FROU DIIIIIII FORGER Y TOOK TOOK BP PERERINE FALCON.

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Is your keyboard broken or do you have tourettes?

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Man, you were STONED when you wrote that...

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It's been a long time since I saw this film . So I have to reserve the guilt of memory when I concoct my largesse. This is I think one of BUnUEL'
S S great achievments. The sacreliguous tone is a marvel to behold as is the wonderfully syncopated diarythms which occur between act one and act four. i BELIEVE bUNUEL OR bORGES THE GREAT WEE UMMM UY Y UMMMM YMMMMMM CIGAREETE FROU FROU DIIIIIII FORGER Y TOOK TOOK BP PERERINE FALCON.
What happened here? The post began well and then turned into drivel. You can't blame an online translator page for the caps lock error.

Surreal stuff. How apt!
To say a little often is to tell more than to say a great deal.

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Dear Entegegengelaufen,

This was also my first Buñuel experience & I enjoyed it a lot! After all, apart from everything else, it's a very engaging story.

As for Don Jaime, he is obviously disturbed- I understand the powerful feelings he had seeing his niece who resembled his dead wife, but that is no excuse for his behavior. But this makes me remember a story my priest told us one time in church that a purse left in a pew will still get stolen sometimes- temptation itself is partly the enemy- and speaking as one who had her ex cheat on her- temptation starts in the mind. Allowing yourself to think that way in the first place is the quick road to immorality.

As for Ramona- it's obvious that she did what she did also out of misdirected love- she had her doubts about doing what she did, but in the end she gave way to her desire to please Don Jaime. She was very stuck on her boss & back then that line of distinction between classes wasn't usually crossed.
Then when his son comes there, I believe she crossed that line with him.

I agree, I didn't want to see Viridiana lose all of her innocence and love of humanity- but it definitely happened to her & I think that's part of the reason that she may have "succumbed" at the end of the movie. But I have to admit, nothing that happened in this movie was expected by me. I like a movie that is surprising.

BTW, Turner Classic Movies is showing this movie this week, Weds. 11:45pm Pacific & 2:45am Eastern time, May 16th! :)






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This is the fifth or sixth film of Bunuel's that I've seen. I kept renting his movies because he's so reknowned, in the hope that eventually I'd finally see something that I thought felt at least somewhat exceptional. For me they usually came off better in print than they did when I watched them. This film, however, was mostly a straightforward sort of parable-like story, without a lot of gimmicky quirks.

Mother Superior, who I think was intentionally portrayed as somewhat of a bitch, annoyed me when she asked Viridiana if she knew how arrogant she was for deciding to follow God is some other way instead of becoming a nun. But, perhaps incidentally, I guess the film shows that Mother Superior may have been right. I didn't find Viridiana exactly unsympathetic or unlikeable, but ultimately it's her naive do-gooder (self?-)righteousness that brings havoc to herself and others. It was is a good illustration of the maxim "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions".

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Sometimes it helps to just "go along for the ride", view the scenery and try to understand what you are seeing, instead of having to judge a character, or wishing they were this way or that.

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I thought the Mother Superior was problematic too. It's she who urges Viridiana to visit her uncle because he pays Viridiana]s dowry. That seemed to me a measure of the woman. She may have been right that Viridiana's intentions were arrogant as they become a folly but again I wondered if she wasn't piqued at the loss of money to the convent from Viridiana leaving.

It was is a good illustration of the maxim "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions".
Yes!
To say a little often is to tell more than to say a great deal.

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