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was the guy on the scooter gay as well?


he seemed a bit odd, also the scene where the camera zooms into the picture of the naked statue in his room, i mean that scene is trying to tell us "something"! also just what is his relation to the woman in the glasses, mother and son, brother and sister,just 2 people engaging in a business act?

have to admit though this film is probably ahead of its time

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When watching the film I thought the same thing - that the male blackmailer was also gay. If this is the case then it's interesting, as he's partner to the zealous woman in her blackmailing. So he hears her carping on all the time about gays, but inside he isn't sure about himself.

It's goes along the lines of when you hear people who talk badly about gay people, they always either have some kind of camp affectation or it can be reasoned that they haven't come to terms with sexual thoughts everyone has.

This truly is a groundbreaking film, something I believe should be shown at schools - as it has a lot to say about being yourself, and not living your life how others believe it should be lived. Also as a historical document to the arcane laws once thought moral and correct.

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He was certainly gay. The way the filmmakers chose to imply this was amusing - the fact he listens to classical music, for example - but such was the era in which the film was made.

I assumed he and the woman simply lived together, rather than being romantic partners, although a brother-sister relationship is plausible.

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the fact he listens to classical music, for example


How is liking classical music in any way suggestive of homosexual tendencies?

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In real life, it isn't. It's just an old stereotype the filmmakers were relying on, homosexual = artistic, or vice versa.

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Also, he has a picture of Michelangelo's David on his wall - I thought that was a clue!

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Yes, "musical" used to be a euphemism for gay. And not just any naked statue but Michaalangelo's David, which used to be almost a signal in the 1970s. (Being a classic and widely admired, nobody could accuse you of being gay just for having one, but anyone who was would consider it hint enough.)

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I've been (unreliably) informed that the actor who played "Sandy"=--motorcycle villain--was gay (in other words, I don't really know if he was or not). The photo of the naked David statue on his wall, which the camera lingers on after he leaves the room is certainly interesting!

(He is not uneducated. He twice refers to 'flourish like the green bay tree"--a biblical, and later, reference to those who are evil, but manage to lead a very comfortable life, and his Latin quote--forgive me if I get it wrong, I nearly flunked it "mens sano in corporae sano"--a clean (healthy) mind in a healthy body. He listens to some lovely music on the phonograph--Mozart, I think---...which all goes to show: all filthy blackmailers are not ignorant, unshaven, uneducated--or necessarily heterosexual.)

I guess it's pretty obvious that this is one of my favorite films. Trotz (sp?) melodramatic music, lack of humor (but what was funny, eh?), and a relationship between the protagonist and his wife which could start an HOURS long discussion of the difference between "need" "want" and "love."

What is it he calls his accomplice? "A cross between an avenging angel and a peeping Tom?" certainly a good description. No, I don't think Bea and Sandy are related.

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I suppose "Avenging Tom" would describe her well.

Sandy definitely seemed like he was supposed to be gay but I don't see how it matters to the story one way or the other. It seems like the movie would have made its point better if he were straight.

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I got the impression that the woman was gay too. She had a lot of the "codes" for being a lesbian in film. Such as being a thin, severe, unfeminine, unmarried woman with an unloving or non-nurturing attitude. I suppose the thinking was that without a man, a woman becomes a bitter, shriveled, spiteful harpy. Two scenes in particular were examples of the stereotypes.

- When the bookstore owner was upset about his little friend killing himself. Instead of the woman in the glasses being comforting or motherly to her grieving boss, she just barked out something about being there for the paycheck.

- When the woman in the glasses arrived at the blackmail apartment. First the apartment is kind of cold and efficient, not too many womanly touches. Second, she takes off her street shoes and puts them on the coffee table. I guarantee you most women who saw that move reacted with revulsion. So I chalk it up as another example in the movie of how glasses lady was not a "normal" woman.

Like another poster said, many times, people who dwell on punishing gay people are often conflicted about their own sexuality or feelings. Perhaps glasses lady was jealous of the men in the photos who knew who they were, what they wanted and acted on it. Rather than stay repressed and bottled up like her.




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I think Sandy (the blackmailing man) may be gay (and what you say applies to him)--but not his accomplice. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if her horror of sex extended to what Dennis Price (Calloway) calls the "normal." I'm not saying she was born bottled up, but she sure is now.

revulsion at bare (or stockinged) feet? Where do you live?

Most of the lesbians I know are more attractive than that!




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revulsion at bare (or stockinged) feet? Where do you live?


OK, I never said anything about liking or not liking the woman's bare (or stockinged) feet.

I said I'm revolted by the fact she put her street shoes on the coffee table. The same shoes she's been walking through mud, old gum, grime, street crud and probably doggy poo all day. Out of all the household surfaces for a person to store their sweat soaked, filthy shoes, a table where people put their food and drink is probably the most disgusting.

That's just me. I understand others have various muck tolerance levels. Maybe you like a little horse manure dust with your after work snack. I don't.


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Sorry I misunderstood. (Actually, it was dry out--and she looks like she'd wash herself inside and out with bleach every day!)

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Sorry I misunderstood. (Actually, it was dry out--and she looks like she'd wash herself inside and out with bleach every day!)


True, the woman did look well scrubbed. Which is why taking her shoes off ASAP when she gets home makes sense.



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Rather than a lesbian, I think she was some kind of "chapel" Christian very much hung up on Old Testament smiting, not at all given to Jesus love.

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