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TCM Guest Programmer: Gloria Steinem


Hello all,

As some of you might be aware, Gloria Steinem was tonight's guest programmer. Unfortunately, I missed her commentary for "A Taste of Honey" and "Breakfast at Tiffany's."

If anyone can provide me the content of Robert Osbourne and Steinem's discussion, whether from memory or recording, partial or complete, please share whatever you can. I am very interested in knowing what was discussed about these films and Steinem's own, personal opinions on them. Thanks!

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Gloria Steinem describes A Taste of Honey as a "poignant piece of life," and states that she wrote a fan letter to Shelagh Delaney author of the play the film is based on and co-writer of the screenplay. She states that she had the privilege of meeting her later. Robert Osborne says that he saw the play in Los Angeles with Angela Lansbury playing the mother and Joan Plowright as Jo. Both Steinem and Osborne praise the play and the film, and they mention that it was ground-breaking in 1961 portraying an "interracial" relationship. They also praise Rita Tushingham's performance as always "very real." Hope this helps. I didn't watch Breakfast at Tiffany's afterwards.

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Thank you so much, Nick! I wasn't sure if anyone would remember anything 2 days after the movie showed. I wished IMDB would've let me post this 2 days ago when the movie showed for more of a discussion. But, anyway, thank you so much for taking the time to put up the information!

Is it all that from memory, btw? If so, you're blessed with a very good memory. :)

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If you have access to OnDemand via your cable provider, both movies are still available for viewng through the end of today - April 27, including the Gloria pre-film interviews. Sorry, I didn't see your message sooner.

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I'm re-posting this from the other thread for that unrelated movie. =

did you catch the TCM Guest Programmer, Gloria Steinem, last night?
Yes, but not intentionally. I'm definitely NOT a fan of hers. I watched 'A taste of honey', which I recorded to DVR. Afterwards, which is my habit, I listened to the TCM commentary. That's when I discovered, as guest programmer, Steinam had selected that movie.

It's no wonder. I did not like the movie and I did not like what she had to say about it. Basically, she blamed the mother's behavior on 'women giving birth to other people before they are 'allowed' to give birth to themselves'. What utter nonsense.

In my opinion both the mother and the daughter fall very nicely into the definition of what a feminist should be; with one exception. Neither of them aborted their child. That's the one thing that seems to bother Steinem. She acknowledges the mother is a bad mother but the solution, as Steinem sees it, is she should not have had the child.

The daughter is basically repeating the pattern but Steinem says, at least she got 'a taste of honey'. Wow, really?!! That's exactly what got her into the situation she's in and the reason she will, most likely, repeat her mother's life. How pitiful!

Anyway, here's what Steinem discussed with Robert Osbourne. Closing comments were, again, not included. In regards to Breakfast at Tiffany's, I had already seen it so I didn't record it. The movie is not available on TCM.com/watch so I have no idea what she said. I suspect she chose that movie because she probably condones Holly's lifestyle.
Hi I’m Robert Osbourne. It’s time right now for this month’s guest programmer to take over here on TCM and it pleases me very much to be able to welcome the woman in the chair next to me. A much respected activist, writer, and leader of the feminist movement, Gloria Steinam. Welcome Gloria.

GS: Thank you. Thank you.

RO: We’re so proud to have you here.

GS: I finally get to be the movie fan and movie addict I’ve always been.

RO: Yes, indeed, yes, and… two movie addicts here.

GS: Yeah, alright.

RO: Nice to know you love movies so much.

GS: Yes.

RO: Well, the first film Gloria chose for us is a 1961 British drama from director Tony Richardson. It’s ‘A taste of honey’ and it stars Dora Bryan, Robert Stephens, and Rita Tushingham; based on a very successful play both on England and on Broadway. Gloria’s going to tell us why she picked it out of all the films in the TCM library we have access to. Why this movie?

GS: It’s a very intimate movie; really about three people. Uh, it’s very moving. You know. It has everything you want in a narrative. And I think it also has some deeper things about what happens when women give birth to other people before they are allowed to give birth to themselves. Because the mother in the story is, is not a good mother and the daughter suffers because of that.

RO: um hmm

GS: but she has a taste of honey; you know, an affair with a person of a different race; a different life. I just found it, you know, a very moving piece – like you really care about the people.

RO: uh huh, and it pushed the envelope a bit when it came out in ’61, and

GS: yes, yes it did because it was what then would have been called an ‘interracial romance’

RO: it was just changing

GS: sex without marriage and yes

RO: movies were just changing but they hadn’t changed totally yet by that point.

GS: No, I think it was, uh, path-breaking as a play. I saw it as a play as well.

RO: I did see it as a play. It played in Los Angeles, where I saw it, with Angela Lansbury playing the mother and Joan Plowright playing the girl; and she was great but I think Rita Tushingham was such an interesting actress to begin with.
GS: yes, absolutely; very real all the time; vulnerable and smart at the same time

RO: and we should say it was written by

GS: Shelagh Delaney, who I wrote a fan letter to

RO: oh, you did

GS: and just because I loved the play and the film. I met her later on. I’m sorry to say she’s no longer with us as of a couple of years ago but a wonderful writer. People should know. She was writing about, you know, working class, ordinary folks who are, of course, extraordinary.

RO: so let’s see the movie. Here it is a film chosen by our guest programmer, Gloria Steinam. From 1961, a film made in England, “A taste of honey.’ Source: TCM.com/watch


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Thank you so much, mdonln! I appreciate you taking the time to not only post, but re-post as well! :)

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I didn't think the mother and daughter were at all alike, and I don't see how you can say that either of them fall into the category of feminist, whether or not they decided to keep their babies or get abortions. I don't believe Steinem selected the movie because of feminist themes or lack there of. It's a story about a daughter who wants to be nothing like her mother, but then she makes the same mistake (being pregnant and unmarried) that her mother made. The film/play was ages ahead of its time in exploring themes of class, race, gender and sexual orientation.

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scorp_gal_03 I didn't think the mother and daughter were at all alike, and I don't see how you can say that either of them fall into the category of feminist, whether or not they decided to keep their babies or get abortions.
They may not be alike as they are but I believe they match up during those particular stages of their lives. The daughter was the mother at her age and will be, unless something changes, just like her when she gets older.

They are feminist in the sense they want to behave like men, forgetting they are women, and refusing to accept the fact that we, men and women, are not the same. A very clear aspect of feminism is this idea that women are free to sleep with whomever they choose whenever they choose.

These women chose the lives they were leading but I got the impression I was supposed to feel sorry for them. I also got the sense the men were the bad guys with absolutely no responsibility or blame going to the women for having chosen such losers.

I don't believe Steinem selected the movie because of feminist themes or lack there of. It's a story about a daughter who wants to be nothing like her mother, but then she makes the same mistake (being pregnant and unmarried) that her mother made.
I don't know why she picked this movie. My comments were based on what she said about the movie. Based on what he said, I got the feeling Robert Osbourne thought it was an odd movie choice too. She said she had seen the play and talked to the author but her comments suggested she was backing her usual one-note agenda.

The film/play was ages ahead of its time in exploring themes of class, race, gender and sexual orientation.
As I mentioned before, I always wait until after I see the movie to listen to the TCM comments; both the opening and closing comments. I had a different slant on the movie than Steinem did (no surprise there). I thought it was a good way to show how people's lives can spiral out of control when they make some bad choices. Ms. Steinem said something about 'when women are not allowed...' Her words really annoyed me because she was blaming some other unnamed person or entity for the problems in the mother's life. I felt she was saying this movie supported abortion because the mother's life, she seems to say, wouldn't have been so miserable if only she could have eliminated that unwanted child.

I think it's nonsense. Plenty of people, like this mother and later her daughter, keep making bad choices throughout their lives while others go through an awaken when they realize they are going to have a child. They need to get their lives together and start making better decisions.

Movies have been exploring difficult issues from the time they were first made. I am a woman but resent the idea that some of us have it so much harder while others have it easy. Life is a struggle for most people. We struggle with different issues but it's still not necessarily a cake walk. People who supposedly are on 'easy street' struggle too.

Look at, for instance, Prince Charles. He is a white male, prince, wealthy, etc. I would never want his life. He was born with a lot of perks but I see it as a gilded cage; unable to make a lot of the basic choices the rest of us non-royals get to make every day. People like Steinem, I feel, have done more to make women's lives miserable than any of the men they typically blame. I am not a fan.


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Thank you for this. I so agree with the analysis. Gloria reveals herself in her comments on "A Taste of Honey" to be a shallow hedonist who does not understand the complexity of love or motherhood. She seems to think that a woman is suddenly "birthed" when she becomes an ideally self-actualized professional or the equivalent. Even for those who do reach Gloria's ideal, life often is a struggle, even after achieving middle class academic and/or professional success.

Personally, I think Jo would have proven to be a much better mother than her own mother had been, and in that sense the pattern would not have repeated itself. But we only have as much the author gives us, no more.

From what I have read of Gloria's early life, she suffered somewhat similarly to Jo in the story. The closeness may have clouded her point of view, not just of the movie under discussion but also of her world view overall. It is sad that she sees motherhood as an inconvenience, but so she does and that judgment on her part disqualifies her as a worthy role model.

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Hi pianoplay16 - Needless to say but I'll say it, I agree with you. I especially did not like the way Steinem made the mother out to be a victim rather than someone who is making the wrong choices and steering her own life in the direction it was going.

I agree that Steinem and others like her see motherhood as an inconvenience but it's more than that. It's as if motherhood is an infliction. It's like the women played no part in their own lives and couldn't have avoided being unwed and pregnant. The only solution always seems to be after the fact. Get rid of it; that thing, because it's in your way. It (the baby) is what's keeping you from some amazing life. It's simply not true. The mother seemed to resent Jo and acted as if her daughter was a burden.

I don't know if Jo would have made a better mother to her child than her mother was to her. I see her falling into the same patterns. She had started off okay and was doing well in spite of having that mother but by the end of the movie I think she had bought into the victim mentality and seemed well on her way to being an updated version of her mother.


Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

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