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TCM's ridiculous intro of Jeffrey Hunter on 4-20-14


In his introduction to TCM's broadcast of this film on Easter Sunday, April 20, 2014, host Ben Mankiewicz referred to star (or "co-star") Jeffrey Hunter, first as "a little-known actor" and later as "almost unknown", even after -- as Ben said -- a decade in Hollywood.

What??

Jeffrey Hunter may not have been a top-ranked star but he was hardly "little known" or "unknown". Hunter had been cast in leads or second leads throughout the 50s, in such major films as Sailor of the King, White Feather, A Kiss Before Dying, The Searchers, The True Story of Jesse James, No Down Payment, The Last Hurrah and Hell to Eternity, not to mention major supporting parts in Fourteen Hours, Red Skies of Montana, Seven Cities of Gold, among others.

Whatever else he was, he was certainly not "little known".

Yet further proof of the incompetence of the TCM research and writing staff...although Mankiewicz should have both known enough to realize this characterization was stupid and to insist that his copy be rewritten to reflect the facts.

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He was a huge name, just under the big six action stars or so of guys like the Duke, Stewart, Fonda, Grant, Heston, and Holden. He was just as famous as anyone in the next layer, which included very famous guys like Guiness, Quinn, and Brynner.

THE SEARCHERS, NO MAN IS AN ISLAND, KING OF KINGS, that's a huge trio, not to mention the ones you listed. He was big.

Lets not forget the anti-Jesus agenda of Hollywood has a lot to do with this. That's why the idiots try to downplay him, because they truly do hate KING OF KINGS.


Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time

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No, Hunter wasn't that big -- by no stretch of the imagination a "huge" name. Saying he was at a level just under the stars you name is a "huge" exaggeration. (And I wouldn't call actors like Grant, Holden or Fonda "action stars", even though the last two did do a few films that could be called "action movies", though not in today's sense. Grant almost never did such films.)

Jeff Hunter was a decidedly second-tier actor. He was well-known, not the unknown TCM idiotically claimed, but that doesn't mean he was a major star. He was not and never was. He was never a box-office name and never held in popular esteem like the stars you cite or others such as Lancaster, Douglas, Peck, Hudson, or Curtis; and Guinness, Quinn and Brynner were also far bigger stars. This isn't a matter of opinion but is established by box-office receipts, polls of the public and exhibitors, and just by the films he appeared in, few of which rose to the level of what Hollywood considered its major productions of the period. This has nothing to do with the quality of his films but rather their supposed "significance" in Hollywood's and the public's estimation.

Hunter was never in anything as big as, say, From Here to Eternity, Lust for Life, The Bridge on the River Kwai, Anatomy of a Murder, Mister Roberts, The Caine Mutiny, Sabrina and dozens of other films I could name, nor was he the star of some of his bigger films he was in, such as The Searchers and The Last Hurrah.

Basically he operated at a level similar to that of actors such as Richard Egan, John Ireland, Guy Madison, Arthur Kennedy, or Lee Marvin and Robert Wagner in their pre-top-star days of the 1950s. Most of Hunter's roles in the 50s were supporting parts or second leads. He did get more leads starting about 1960 but not in top-tier films: Sergeant Rutledge, Hell to Eternity, No Man is an Island, Brainstorm and the like were good but not top films, and even King of Kings wasn't quite considered at the level of most such films of the era, like Spartacus or Ben-Hur. His career slid badly by the mid-60s, by which time his films were weak, usually European-made and got little release.

Your assertion that Jeff Hunter was a huge star is simply inaccurate on the facts. That said, he was certainly not "unknown" and was reasonably popular with audiences, just never a box-office draw.

As for your claim that Hollywood has an "anti-Jesus agenda", I think with all due respect it's you who have an agenda. Classical Hollywood was certainly not "anti-Jesus", as one look at all the Biblical epics (including King of Kings) makes clear. If you're talking about today, a number of similar epics have been made for movies and TV, most recently Noah. I can't speak to individual filmmakers' religious attitudes, and neither can you, but on past experience I've found that when people complain about supposed Hollywood "biases" or "agendas" it's really more of a reflection of such persons' own beliefs and prejudices. There is absolutely no evidence that anyone in Hollywood hates King of Kings because of its religious content. (If anyone dislikes it it may simply be because they find it a bad movie, which is a matter of personal opinion.) Also someone may not be religious but that doesn't make them "anti" Jesus, which is a pretty simplistic, unfair and indeed un-Christian statement.

Besides, we were talking about TCM, whose staff and facilities are located in Atlanta, not Hollywood.

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The op just meant that Jeffrey Hunter was MORE famous than TCM implied.

Was he as famous as say, Doris Day? Probably not.

He was a good actor, though, and some stars simply have more fame.

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As the OP, I say your statement is correct, Simplythebest.

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by hobnob53 » 32 minutes ago (Tue Jun 23 2015 23:35:58)
IMDb member since April 2006
As the OP, I say your statement is correct, Simplythebest.


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Incisive commentary by hobnob53. I've been a regular TCM viewer for many years, and the commentary you describe would be well below their usual standards to the point of being embarrassing.

Isn't Ben Mankiewicz supposed to be some sort of film scholar/historian (I know he's Herman's grandson and Joseph's grandnephew)?

I'm no Jeffrey Hunter fan, and I agree that he never achieved "stardom", but he deserves to be given his due. I think the very fact that he received such a prestige role as Jesus establishes that he was a well known, respected actor. As most know, he was cut down at age 42, and while it's true his career was in decline, who knows what he might have accomplished had he lived another 30 years or so?

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Thanks very much, hammer4. There's been a similar discussion over on the board for the film The Last Voyage, as well as smaller ones on Ace in the Hole and I think also Robert Osborne's board.

Basically they're all about misstatements, errors, mispronunciations, even confusion about what they're about to show, and the like that regularly creep into many of the introductions made by Osborne and Mankiewicz. They're obviously reading scripted comments off a teleprompter, but you'd assume they review them beforehand, and as experts you'd also presume they'd catch significant errors. But no. And having seen some of the staff on TCM the other year (when they had a month of each staffer co-hosting a film of his or her choice), it's plain that most of them are pretty clueless when it comes even to their favorite classic movies. I don't know where they get their information but most of us here could do much better. On the evidence, few if any of the TCM staff really know much about the subject matter set forth in the channel's name.

But it's the inability -- or could it be disinterest? -- on the part of the two hosts, who are supposedly experts and certainly the faces of the network, to get what they say right that really grates. As we've asked elsewhere, doesn't anybody at TCM check their facts?

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Thanks for pointing out those other boards which I intend to check out. Personally, I don't recall viewing many TCM intros that are as badly flawed as the one you've described. Then again, more often than not I'll skip the introduction entirely or will only half listen. I've never expected much and rarely do I hear anything really interesting or insightfull.

The old saw comes to mind; if you can't do something well don't do it at all. By all appearances TCM isn't willing to devote sufficient resources to this area of their programming.

Would you say the overall quality has deteriorated over time? If so that might be a further indicator that budget constraints are at work.

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I think it is true that the quality of TCM's introductions, of their research, has indeed deteriorated over time. This is more my impression than a measured fact but there may be truth to it...though I recall some occasional issues on this score even 15 or more years ago.

As to budget constraints, a couple of people I've run across who have had some dealings with TCM claim that they have so much money they don't know what to do with it. If so, I'd suggest that instead of pocketing the profits they plow some of it back into getting better staff. Of course, more knowledgeable people, and better writers, would cost more. (I'm also told that people who point out such mistakes on TCM's own website receive a very frosty reception. I've never looked in on it so can't say, but it wouldn't surprise me.)

Now, by a weird coincidence, right after answering your previous message I had a notification about a reply to another thread on this very same topic, over on the board for Moby Dick (1956). I'd forgotten all about the error I'd posted a thread about there back in 2013. You should check that one out, hammer4. When I re-read it I remembered how astonishingly egregious and careless the mistake in Ben Mankiewicz's introduction on that occasion was. An error to end all errors.

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(I'm also told that people who point out such mistakes on TCM's own website receive a very frosty reception. I've never looked in on it so can't say, but it wouldn't surprise me.)


This goes with how the Movie Morlocks blog that TCM runs responded to me when I corrected them on an article they did months ago saying that there were no female heroes these days.

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I know it's a cliche statement by now, but:

THIS.

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Jeffrey wasn't an Al-list actor by any means. Known for sure, he was hardly "little-known." I'm sure TCM meant no offense. Hunter's career went well for a while, but was cut short when he was 42.

He's certainly best-known for his role in this movie.

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