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Was it obvious to anybody else? MAJOR SPOILER!!!


OK, I warned you in the thread subject.

I couldn't get past the fact that it was obvious to me that Warren and Emily were the same person. I noticed it right after Warren appeared and slapped Karl awake after he was knocked unconscious. I was like "Oh wait...that's Emily in drag." And then the damn movie was over for me.

It was a clever idea that they included the early scene of Warren and emphasized his goofy teeth, then carried it over into the adult character. They were obviously hoping you'd look at the teeth and not too much at his face. But I wondered if there were many others that caught on too early? I probably would have liked the movie a lot more if the gag had worked on me.

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I didnt catch that they were the same at that time... This is a pretty cool picture, I knew Warren was a little "off" but i could not put my finger on why, when they revealed the end i could have kicked myself for not seeing the twist earlier... Cool film........

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I just watched it and I have to say that that was probably the most obvious "twist" of all time. The moment "Emily" looked at the picture of Warren in Miriam's apartment it was obvious that Warren and Emily were the exact same person. And in Warren's first actual appearance it was obvious that he was wearing fake teeth; that, the awful voice dubbing, and the extremely awkward & effeminate nature of Warren's body and movements made the "twist" even more obvious.

Sadly, the set-up for the film was pretty intriguing : mysterious woman checks into a hotel, pays the handsome young bellboy $2,000 to marry her at midnight and then annul the marriage, only to end up violently stabbing the Justice of the Peace to death. I have to say, up until the character of Warren showed up, I was very much enjoying the film. But once you see Warren and realize he and "Emily" are one and the same, any mystery and suspense completely dissipates, and the rest of the film falls predictably into place.

If the secret of the double identity could have been pulled off more efficiently, this could have been an excellent knock-off of Hitchcock's "Psycho"....but sadly, the incredibly obvious twist, the blatant stealing of scenes, setups, and dialogue from the Hitchcock film, and the ridiculous "Fright Break" just made this seem like a poor man's rip-off. But I guess that's to be expected from William Castle....he very much came off as an amateur trying to mimic the Master of Suspense, and ultimately failing.

In the end, I find Francis Ford Coppola's "Dementia 13" a far superior (if lower-budget) "Psycho" imitation. That film at least had it's own atmosphere and style, and a couple of good shocks, unlike "Homicidal" which cribbed just about everything from Hitchcock, without generating any of its own personality.

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I consider myself pretty astute, but I have to admit that I didn't see it coming. I knew something was "off", even strangely compelling about about Warren, but couldn't place exactly what.

I think the dubbing was a good idea in the fact that it added to the "something is off" vibe. Even if the voice was dubbed in, it was still the actress's actual voice!

I really was shocked by the end reveal, and felt foolish for not having figured it out (I live in NYC, I have drag queen friends!).

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I rewound the movie several times to see the similarities between Warren and Emily and thought they were two different people but then realized they were never in the same room together, at least not face to face (they were supposedly in the bedroom together when Warren was in the bed). Even with Jean Arliss wearing a man’s suit and using manly posturing, her femininity still shows. This is what made Warren seem either gay or being played by a woman.

By the way, this was an homage or tribute to Psycho. Hitchcock would have sued the pants off Castle if he thought it was a rip off of his more success film but apparently hit didn’t. Don’t forget, Castle made low budget movie while Hitchcock had a bigger budget with top notch talent. I love Psycho but Homicidal was the scary one.

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I, too, think of myself as fairly astute but I didn't realise at first Warren was Emily...I just thought Warren looked to be gay, especially 'his' eyes which seemed to have guyliner on them.

The pieces sort of 'came together' for me when Warren was driving Miriam to the house (i.e. Emily used a man's briefcase as a suitcase; etc.).

I'm wondering about a couple of items, though...

1. Why did Emily have to marry someone just to kill the JP?
2. Why did Warren take the sister's doll? Just to play with it, I guess?

Overall, I think it was a very intriguing film and the fact the Bellboy married a man is a real hoot! Especially for those times...

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Emily had to marry to get near the JP and to lay the blame on Miriam so the cops would come looking for Miriam and Emily would be discussed and finally "revealed" as the killer. Warren conveniently having that photo of Emily.

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the fact the Bellboy married a man is a real hoot! Especially for those times...


Nope. Technically speaking the bellboy married a woman. That woman pretended to be a man who pretended to be a woman.

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The "tip offs" for me were:

1) Women part their lips and and stand w/ their mouths slightly open quite frequently. Jean Arliss does this all through the film. It's actually how I can tell most tranvestites/transsexuals from "real" women.(not that I use that skill that much...LOL)

2) Warren was rather...umm.."b*tchy.". And not in the single male child or cranky old guy way,either.

3) His face was a little too smooth to be a guy's.

Beside all of that, this is was a wild romp of a movie and I'd recommend it to people.

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It's easy to forget that this was radical stuff for people in the early 1960s. They didn't have Maury Povich doing "man or woman" episodes once a week when he was taking a break from the paternity tests. I'm pretty sure a lot of people then didn't even know what a transvestite was. Not to mention, a movie having a twist at the end was still a surprise, rather than a given and a cliche like it is now. So, before we all get to feeling too superior, let's have a little context and perspective. It's not great art to be sure, but it's a spiffy little piece of exploitation filmmaking.


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First time I saw this was when I was about 10 years old and it was playing on late night TV, so, No, I had no idea at the time that they were one and the same person.

The hairs on the back of my neck did go up with just about every scene that Warren was in -- like, there is something not quite right with that guy.

And, this movie scared the bejeezers out of me when I was a kid -- especially the scene after the Fright Break.


As an aside: For those posters ragging on William Castle -- I think you aren't 'getting him'. He was a showman, for sure, and was actually quite satirical. Maybe he is an acquired taste, but I adore his stuff.



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I suddenly became pretty sure that Warren and Emily were one and the same during the first scene in the drugstore when the doctor came in and mentioned how much Warren's father had wanted a boy. As he said this, the camera focused on Emily, who said in a meaningful-sounding way that she wished she had known Warren "when he was younger." Plus, I remembered once hearing or reading that "going to Denmark" used to be a euphemism for undergoing sex reassignment surgery, and there was the continued emphasis on how Warren and Emily had met in Denmark.

Then when she let herself into Miriam's flower shop, matched up the bride and groom figurines and smashed them, I became even more suspicious. When she went into Miriam's living room and picked up the framed picture of Warren, her pained reflection floating over Warren's like-featured face sealed it for me.

I still was surprised, though: I had thought Warren was a "woman in a man's body," not a cisgender girl forced by her mother and nanny to live as a boy.

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The instant Warren's face appeared on screen and I heard his ridiculously dubbed voice, I knew what was really going on. I predicted everything that would follow, which was all such a shameless rip-off of Psycho it was border-line copy-cat.



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